Who Is the Angel of the Lord?

Monday, February 27, 2012 (All day)

Angels make frequent appearances in scripture. But who is the Angel of the Lord?

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[Steve Myers] A question came in from a Beyond Today viewer and they asked the question, "Who is the Angel of the Lord?" Throughout the Old Testament, that phrase seems to pop up several times over and over again and so it's a good question. Who is the Angel of the Lord? So, where would we start to begin to answer a question like that Gary?

[Gary Petty] Well, when you look at the Bible—of course there's angels, who are messengers, supernatural messengers from God that He's created. They go back and forth between human beings and God. But there is a special Angel that is mentioned a number of places in the Old Testament—the Angel of the Lord. And He is quite different than other angels. First of all, He allows Himself to be worshiped. In other places, He actually speaks as if He is God. One place, I think of, it's in Exodus, you know, where the Angel of the Lord is in the burning bush and talks to Moses (Exodus 3:1-21 and Exodus 4:1-16). And there He presents Himself as God and as the Angel of the Lord. So what we have here in someone who is God but He's also the Angel of the Lord. So what we have here is actually the pre-incarnate Jesus Christ.

[Steve Myers] Yeah, and it's interesting because it does tie into the literal meaning of the word "angel" as being a messenger of the Lord. And so God can speak for Himself at times as well through the burning bush we've got Him identifying Himself as the I AM—as the One who would become Jesus Christ. So even the translators in some of the different translations get it right because they'll capitalize the "A" for Angel realizing it's something more than just an ordinary angel.

[Gary Petty] That's right. Even Abraham, you know when he went to sacrifice his son, Isaac, the person who talks to him there is the Angel of the Lord (Genesis 22:9-12). And He speaks as if He is God. There's other places where the Angel of the Lord speaks and people say "I have seen God." So what we have is God, but not the Father. And so once again we have Jesus Christ.

[Steve Myers] Right and you can tell that by the context more often than not when you can read it and if an angel is not allowing worship, we know that's just an ordinary angel. But there's a great example of this. It's in Judges chapter 13. And here's where Sampson's parents are inquiring of God, they're talking to the Angel of the Lord. And so there's a good example of this—the father of Sampson, Manoah, said to the Angel of the Lord, "What is Your name, that when Your words come to pass, we may honor You?" So he asked Him outright, you know, who are you? And of course, the Angel of the Lord says in verse 18, "Why do you ask My name seeing it is wonderful?" So, there's a little bit of insight that this is not any ordinary angel. And so ultimately by the time we get to the end of the story down in verse 21, it says, "When the Angel of the Lord appeared no more to Manoah and his wife, then Manoah knew that He was the Angel of the Lord." So we don't get the whole story there, but in the next verse He says, "Manoah said to his wife, 'We shall surely die because we have seen God,'" And so here we see it all put together very clearly that the Angel of the Lord, especially in this case, is God. And so we know His identity in that case (Judges 13:6-24).

[Gary Petty] So if you want to do an interesting study, go through the Old Testament and look up all of the places where you can see "Angel of the Lord " and study it in context and you will find out how the pre-incarnate Jesus Christ came and He interacted with human beings as the Messenger of God.

[Steve Myers] That's BT Daily . We'll see you next time.


thomasraukamp

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Very, very interesting. Could you please talk a bit more about the different names of the Lord, especially the name YHWH or Jehova? Are we supposed to use it because Christ says "Hallowed by Your name"?




Depenney

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Good Job. Well answered. Concise and Clear.




linda effenberger

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The Preincarnate Jesus Christ in the old testament is referred to as the "Angel of the Lord", but I do not consider Him as an Angel. He was the "messenger" of the God Almighty, the Father, but not an angel. He is not made of the same spirit as the angels. He is in another "category" of Spirit, that is the same Spirit of God the Father. God, the Father, is Holy Spirit, set apart from other spirits as the Father of all spirits, and His Son is born of this same Holy Spirit, otherwise He would not be God, but just another angel.

I am the opinion that the reference to the Preincarnate Jesus Christ as the "Angel of the Lord" is a mistranslation. I consider the translation "the messenger of God" better and more fitting to describe the God of the Old Testament, who became Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior.




linda effenberger

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Hello Mr. Eckman,

I agree with you that we should not worship angels. An angel of God would refuse to be worshipped, whereas Satan and a demon would very much like to be treated as if they were God.

From your comments, I decipher that you think there was an angel of the Lord in the burning bush and the Lord as well. The wording “angel of the Lord” found in Exodus 3: 2 seems to be the same wording as found in Genesis 16: 7. If that is the case, then we see the “angel” that talked to Hagar told her “I will so increase your descendants that they will be too numerous to count.” Does an angel have that much authority to make such a promise? In Genesis 16: 13, it states, “She gave this name to the Lord who spoke to her: ‘You are the God who sees me, for’ she said, ‘I have now seen the One who sees me.’” This indicates to me that the “angel of the Lord” and the God who spoke to her is one and the same.

I do believe the wording “Angel of the Lord” is a mistranslation, and should read “Messenger of the Lord, for the Lord is the Messenger of our heavenly Father in heaven, and the Lord is also God.
Respectfully submitted,
Linda Effenberger




SandyBill

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It pleases me that you recognize the Angel of the LORD as the one who became the man we know as Jesus. Unfortunately, after admitting this in your' commentary, you go on to completely miss that which I believe should have come next. How I wish I could find a UCG minister who would be willing to discuss subjects like this rather than simply put forward that which you have come to believe without discussion from the lay-brethren.

You tell us to "Prove all things..."! You tell us not to believe what you have to say but believe what the Bible actually says; but when we "search the Scriptures, whether what you have to say is or is not so" and cannot reconcile your teaching with what we discover from our studies, you don't even want to hear about it -- this makes me very, very sad..!

The subject of the Angel of the LORD is far too important to be ignored, and yet I can find no minister who will take time to openly and honestly discuss it with me. Fortunately, the day of our Lord cannot be too far away and then we'll have many of the discussions we could have had (and should have had) in this lifetime.




Marcelle N Griffith

Marcelle N Griffith's picture

Good morning and thank you for clearing the difference between an angel of the LORD and 'The Angel of THE LORD'.



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