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In Matthew 12:38 Matthew 12:38Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from you.
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, some of the scribes and Pharisees asked Jesus for a sign to prove He was the Messiah. “Teacher, we want to see a miraculous sign from you,” they told Him (New International Version).

Jesus responded that the only sign He would give was that of the prophet Jonah: “For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth” (Matthew 12:40 Matthew 12:40For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
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, NIV).

But how can we fit “three days and three nights” between a Friday afternoon crucifixion and entombment just before sundown and a Sunday morning resurrection at sunrise? This traditional view allows for Jesus to have been in the tomb for only a day and a half—or half the time Jesus foretold!

Traditional view doesn't fit

Some believe that Christ's statement that He would be “three days and three nights in the heart of the earth” does not require a literal span of 72 hours. They reason that any part of a day can be reckoned as a whole day.

Thus, since Jesus died in the afternoon and was entombed just before sunset, they think the closing few minutes of that Friday constituted the first day, Friday night was the first night, Saturday was the second day, Saturday night was the second night, and a few minutes at dawn on Sunday morning made up the third day.

But where, then, is the third night? Even if a few minutes of daylight late on Friday and another few on Sunday morning constitute “days,” this interpretation fails to explain how only two nights—Friday night and Saturday night—can somehow be the three nights of which Jesus spoke.

In fact, Scripture is plain that Jesus had already risen before Mary Magdalene came to the tomb early Sunday morning, arriving “while it was still dark” (John 20:1-2 John 20:1-2 1 The first day of the week comes Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, to the sepulcher, and sees the stone taken away from the sepulcher. 2 Then she runs, and comes to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and said to them, They have taken away the LORD out of the sepulcher, and we know not where they have laid him.
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). So in reality, no parts of Sunday could be counted as a day, as Jesus was already resurrected well before the break of dawn.

Jonah 1:17 Jonah 1:17Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.
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, to which Jesus referred, states specifically that “Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.” We have no biblical basis for thinking that Jesus meant only two nights and one day, plus part of another day.

If Jesus were in the tomb only from late Friday afternoon to early Sunday morning, then the sign He gave that He was the prophesied Messiah was not fulfilled.

So which is it? Is something wrong with Christ's words, or is something wrong with the traditional view of when and how long He was in the tomb?

Let's carefully examine the details from the Gospels. When we do, we uncover the real story of how Jesus' words were fulfilled precisely.

Two Sabbaths mentioned

Notice the sequence of events outlined in Luke 23. Jesus' moment of death, as well as His hasty burial because of the oncoming Sabbath that began at sundown, is narrated in Luke 23:46-53 Luke 23:46-53 46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into your hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost. 47 Now when the centurion saw what was done, he glorified God, saying, Certainly this was a righteous man. 48 And all the people that came together to that sight, beholding the things which were done, smote their breasts, and returned. 49 And all his acquaintance, and the women that followed him from Galilee, stood afar off, beholding these things. 50 And, behold, there was a man named Joseph, a counselor; and he was a good man, and a just: 51 (The same had not consented to the counsel and deed of them;) he was of Arimathaea, a city of the Jews: who also himself waited for the kingdom of God. 52 This man went to Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. 53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulcher that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.
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. Luke 23:54 Luke 23:54And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
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then states, “That day was the Preparation, and the Sabbath drew near.”

In Jewish society of that time, heavy cooking and housecleaning were done on the day before a Sabbath in preparation for it. Thus the day before the Sabbath came to be called “the preparation day” or simply “the preparation.” The biblical Sabbath falls on Saturday, the seventh day of the week. According to Bible reckoning, days begin at sunset (Leviticus 23:32 Leviticus 23:32It shall be to you a sabbath of rest, and you shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even to even, shall you celebrate your sabbath.
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; compare Genesis 1:5 Genesis 1:5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
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, Genesis 1:8 Genesis 1:8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
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, Genesis 1:13 Genesis 1:13And the evening and the morning were the third day.
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), so all weekly Sabbaths start Friday evening at sundown.

Based on these facts, many people have assumed that it is the weekly Sabbath mentioned here, and that Jesus was therefore crucified on a Friday. But two types of “Sabbaths” are mentioned in the Scriptures—the regular weekly Sabbath day, which fell on the seventh day of the week, and seven annual Holy Days (listed in Leviticus 23), Sabbaths that could—and usually did—fall on days of the week other than the regular weekly Sabbath day.

Was the day after Jesus was crucified a weekly Sabbath, or one of these annual Holy Days?

John 19:31 John 19:31The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) sought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
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clearly states that this approaching Sabbath “was a high day.” This term does not refer to the weekly Sabbath (Friday sunset to Saturday sunset), but in this context to the first day of Unleavened Bread, one of God's annual Holy Days (Exodus 12:16-17 Exodus 12:16-17 16 And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you. 17 And you shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall you observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever.
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; Leviticus 23:6-7 Leviticus 23:6-7 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread to the LORD: seven days you must eat unleavened bread. 7 In the first day you shall have an holy convocation: you shall do no servile work therein.
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). A number of Bible commentaries, encyclopedias and dictionaries will confirm that John is not referring to the weekly Sabbath here, but rather to one of the annual Sabbaths.

According to the biblical evidence, in that year this high-day Sabbath fell on a Thursday (meaning it began on Wednesday night at sunset). This becomes especially clear from details in the Gospel accounts showing us that two separate Sabbath days are mentioned.

Luke 23:55-56 Luke 23:55-56 55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulcher, and how his body was laid. 56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
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tells us that the women, after seeing Christ's body being laid in the tomb just before sundown, “returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils” for the final preparation of the body.

They would not have done such work on a Sabbath day, weekly or annual, since it would have been considered a Sabbath violation. This is verified by Mark's account, which states, “Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices [which they could not have purchased on a Sabbath day], that they might come and anoint Him” (Mark 16:1 Mark 16:1And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
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).

The women had to wait until this Sabbath was over before they could buy and prepare the spices to be used for anointing Jesus' body. Then, Luke 23:56 Luke 23:56And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
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tells us that, after purchasing and preparing the spices and oils on Friday, “they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment”—which means they had to have acquired the spices before that Sabbath on which they rested. This second Sabbath mentioned in the Gospel accounts is the regular weekly Sabbath, observed from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.

By comparing details in both Gospels— where Mark tells us the women bought spices after the Sabbath and Luke relates that they prepared the spices before resting on the Sabbath—we can clearly see that two different Sabbaths are being discussed here.

The original Greek of Matthew 28:1 Matthew 28:1In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulcher.
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even tells us the women went to the tomb “after the Sabbaths” (plural), as some Bible translations show.

The first, as John 19:31 John 19:31The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) sought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
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tells us, was a “high day”—the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread—which in this year fell on a Thursday. The second was the weekly seventh-day Sabbath. (To see these events spelled out day by day, see “The Chronology of Jesus Christ's Crucifixion and Resurrection “.)

Sign of the Messiah

After the women rested on the regular weekly Sabbath, they went to Jesus' tomb early on the first day of the week (Sunday), “while it was still dark” (John 20:1 John 20:1The first day of the week comes Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, to the sepulcher, and sees the stone taken away from the sepulcher.
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), and found that He had already been resurrected (Matthew 28:1-6 Matthew 28:1-6 1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulcher. 2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat on it. 3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow: 4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men. 5 And the angel answered and said to the women, Fear not you: for I know that you seek Jesus, which was crucified. 6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
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; Mark 16:2-6 Mark 16:2-6 2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came to the sepulcher at the rising of the sun. 3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulcher? 4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great. 5 And entering into the sepulcher, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted. 6 And he said to them, Be not affrighted: You seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.
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; Luke 24:1-3 Luke 24:1-3 1 Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came to the sepulcher, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. 2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulcher. 3 And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.
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). Jesus was not resurrected at sunrise on Sunday morning. When Mary Magdalene arrived “while it was still dark,” she found the stone rolled away and the tomb already empty!

When we consider the details in all four Gospel accounts, the picture is clear. Jesus was crucified and entombed late on Wednesday afternoon, just before a Sabbath began at sunset. However, that was a high-day Sabbath, lasting from Wednesday sunset to Thursday sunset that week, rather than the regular weekly Sabbath that lasted from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.

Since Jesus was entombed in the late afternoon just before sundown, according to His own words He would have been resurrected at around the same time three days and nights later. He remained in the tomb from Wednesday at sunset until Saturday at sunset, when He rose from the dead. While no one witnessed His resurrection (which took place inside a sealed tomb), to fit His words and the biblical evidence it had to have happened three days and three nights later, near sunset on Saturday.

This time line perfectly accommodates three full nights (Wednesday night, Thursday night and Friday night) and three full daylight periods (Thursday, Friday and Saturday). This is the only time that fits Jesus' own prophecy of how long He would be in the tomb. And, as we have seen, it fits perfectly with all the details recorded in the Gospels.

We can be assured that the entombment period Jesus gave as proof He was the Messiah was exactly the duration He foretold. Because most people do not understand the biblical Holy Days Jesus Christ and His followers kept, they fail to understand the chronological details so accurately preserved for us in the Gospels.

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    Comments

  • Jacob Hitsman
    Thanks for making this clear Scott. I do love all my brothers and sisters following Christ and am very thankful to God that you take the time to feed the flock. Praise and Glory be giving to the living Christ. Amen
  • Lily
    If we didn’t teach errors, many people might believe and come into the truth. We have long taught some things that are not truly scriptural. We have been deceived, not having fully proven those things. We have ignored some scriptures carelessly, or kept our own tradition {the teachings of one man}. For example, the bible clearly says in Luke 24:1 Luke 24:1Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came to the sepulcher, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
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    and 21 that the FIRST day of the week… was the THIRD day… since the death and burial of Jesus Christ! Jesus did not refute that statement! This scripture is continually ignored however, possibly because we want to give extra credence to the Sabbath, as if it needs that. Our reason for worshipping on the Sabbath has nothing to do with what day Jesus rose from the dead! We keep the Sabbath because it is a commandment from God that is still binding. Concerning Easter, there is no commandment to honor Jesus’ resurrection. Rather, we are told by Jesus Himself to remember his sacrifice and death for our sins every Passover till He comes. So the point is Easter is pagan, false worship, as is Christmas, and has nothing to do with Jesus. If Easter was changed to Saturday it would still be WRONG!!!
  • Lily
    The fact that no one witnessed the resurrection of Jesus because it took place inside a sealed tomb is not relevant. All that is relevant and required is that witnesses saw Jesus alive on the THIRD day, as He said. He never said anyone would see Him rise up. The scriptures prove this, and also prove that it did not have to be an exact period of 72 hrs. If it were exactly a period of 72 hrs then Jesus would have risen on the 4th day! Mark 10:34 Mark 10:34And they shall mock him, and shall whip him, and shall spit on him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again.
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    , Acts 10:40 Acts 10:40Him God raised up the third day, and showed him openly;
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    , Luke 24:46 Luke 24:46And said to them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
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    , 1 Corinthians 15:4 1 Corinthians 15:4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
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    , Matthew 16:21 Matthew 16:21From that time forth began Jesus to show to his disciples, how that he must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
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    , Matthew 17:23 Matthew 17:23And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry.
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    , Matthew 20:19 Matthew 20:19And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to whip, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.
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    , Mark 9:31 Mark 9:31For he taught his disciples, and said to them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.
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    , Mark 10:34 Mark 10:34And they shall mock him, and shall whip him, and shall spit on him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again.
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    , Luke 9:22 Luke 9:22Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.
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    , Luke 13:32 Luke 13:32And he said to them, Go you, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.
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    , Luke 18:33 Luke 18:33And they shall whip him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
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    , Luke 24:7 Luke 24:7Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.
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    , Luke 24:21 Luke 24:21But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
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  • Lily
    To clarify and explain my previous comment… The concept of a full 3 days and a full 3 nights is not logical. A period of 72 hrs equals a full 3 days, but if Jesus rose AFTER 72 hrs, AFTER a full 3 days, then He would have risen at the start of the 4th day. You see, logically it would no longer be the third day if a full 72 hrs had passed. He had to rise on or during the third day as He said, before the completion of 72 hours. The many scriptures I listed suggest He did indeed rise on the THIRD day, and He was indeed seen on the THIRD day as stated in Luke 24:21 Luke 24:21But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
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    , proving He was the Messiah and fulfilling His prophecy concerning Himself. That day was SUNDAY as Luke 24:1 Luke 24:1Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came to the sepulcher, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
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    and 21 tells us, as well as Mark 16:9 Mark 16:9Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
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    which states “Now when He rose EARLY ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, He appeared first to Mary Magdalene…”
  • Ivan Veller
    Hello Lily, In regards to Luke 24:1 Luke 24:1Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came to the sepulcher, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
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    : “When] the women then went to Jesus’ tomb early on the first day of the week (Sunday), while it was still dark (John 20:1 John 20:1The first day of the week comes Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, to the sepulcher, and sees the stone taken away from the sepulcher.
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    ), [they] found that He had already been resurrected (Matthew 28:1-6 Matthew 28:1-6 1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulcher. 2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat on it. 3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow: 4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men. 5 And the angel answered and said to the women, Fear not you: for I know that you seek Jesus, which was crucified. 6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
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    ; Mark 16:2-6 Mark 16:2-6 2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came to the sepulcher at the rising of the sun. 3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulcher? 4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great. 5 And entering into the sepulcher, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted. 6 And he said to them, Be not affrighted: You seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.
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    ; Luke 24:1-3 Luke 24:1-3 1 Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came to the sepulcher, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. 2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulcher. 3 And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.
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    ; John 20:1 John 20:1The first day of the week comes Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, to the sepulcher, and sees the stone taken away from the sepulcher.
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    )… ‘[In regards to] Mark 16:9 Mark 16:9Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
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    … there is no punctuation indicated in the original Greek. Therefore, to be in harmony with the material presented in the other Gospels, a better translation would be: ‘Now having risen, early the first day of the week He appeared first to Mary Magdalene….’ These verses are not saying that Jesus rose early on Sunday morning, but that He appeared on Sunday morning to Mary Magdalene, having risen some time earlier” (Berg 2003, “Does Easter Really Commemorate Jesus Christ’s Resurrection?”): http://www.ucg.org/holidays-and-holy-days/does-easter-really-commemorate…
  • Norbert Z
    I agree with Ivan on this. There is one thing that Lily mentions that is rather interesting. “This scripture is continually ignored however, possibly because we want to give extra credence to the Sabbath, as if it needs that. Our reason for worshipping on the Sabbath has nothing to do with what day Jesus rose from the dead!” It maybe only be interesting to me but: The reason why numerous people from mainstream Christianity oppose a wed-sat timing is because it removes their reason and justification for celebrating not only Easter Sunday. But also a fri-sun timeline on the other hand gives them extra credence and a reason for worshipping on every Sunday because Jesus rose from the dead. They state so themselves. Frankly I’ve never heard about the possibility that the resurrection adds extra credence to the weekly Sabbath until it’s mentioned here in the comments. In my view to use that association is nothing more than pulling rabbits out of a hat.
  • Jake
    Greetings Lily, “the bible clearly says in Luke 24:1 Luke 24:1Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came to the sepulcher, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
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    and 21 that the FIRST day of the week… was the THIRD day… since the death and burial of Jesus Christ!” Is it a certainty, does it “clearly” say, that these things are only referring to “since the death and burial”? Is there a false assumption being added to this verse? “The fact that no one witnessed the resurrection of Jesus…” Does prefacing this statement with the word “fact” make it the truth? Does that mean that the ones who said to the women at the sepulchre “He is not here, but is risen” could not have been witnesses? “The concept of a full 3 days and a full 3 nights is not logical.” Isn’t the only way this “concept” would be “not logical” is if the quoted comments are accepted as facts? Didn’t He say three days and three nights is the only sign? “He had to rise on or during the third day as He said, before the completion of 72 hours.” Where is it shown that “during” or “before the completion” is “as He said”? again, didn’t He say three days and three nights is the only sign? “…which states “Now when He rose”…”, is that how this verse reads? Do other valid translations show the error here? Shalav, Jake
  • Lily
    Jake- In answer to your first question, YES. It does clearly say this. It is important to read the whole chapter in CONTEXT. Taking parts of God’s word out of context is detrimental to true understanding. As to your second question, of course, God the Father and the angels witnessed the resurrection of Jesus. I was obviously referring to HUMANS, to whom Jesus gave the sign. Pertaining to your third and fourth questions… Jesus said He would rise “the third day”. If a full 72 hrs passes that is obviously the end of 3 days and 3 nights and the beginning of a 4th. He had to have risen between the time frame He gave. He rose on the third day as He said, which does not in any way change the fact that he was in the grave 3 days and 3 nights. Humans have added the concept of “FULL” days and nights. As per your last question, here are some examples of other translations of Mark 16:9 Mark 16:9Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
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    …. KJ- “Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week…” NKJ- “Now when He rose early on the first day of the week…” NLT- “After Jesus rose from the dead early on Sunday morning…” LB- “It was early on Sunday morning when Jesus came back to life…” Continued….
  • Lily
    Bible translations of Mark 16:9 Mark 16:9Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
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    continued… PME- “When Jesus rose early on that first day of the week…” RSV- “Now when He rose early on the first day of the week…” NIV- “When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week…” JB- “Having risen in the morning on the first day of the week…” NEB- “When He had risen from the dead early on Sunday morning…” Lily
  • Jake
    Greetings Lily, Yes, it is important to read any of the scriptures in context, isn’t it? Also, isn’t it important to make sure in our studies that we allow scripture to agree with, to interpret, other scripture? Following your instructions, we (re)read Luke 24 in its entirety and could not find any place that “clearly states” “…since the death and burial of Jesus Christ!” Would you please let us know where in this chapter you’re referring when you say this? Could there be more information in several places in the “whole chapter” that, when matched up with other scripture, gives a clear understanding about what these men are really talking about when they say “…today is the third day since these things were done.” “The fact that no one witnessed the resurrection of Jesus…” According to instructions given through scripture, what is required before a witness can be accepted as truth? In Luke 24, couldn’t the words of the two men “He is not here, but has risen. Remember how He spoke to you… The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men and be crucified, and the third day rise again?”, qualify as a witness? If not, then why are there two? TBC Shalav, Jake
  • Jake
    Greetings Lily, Could “If we count 72 hrs this is a whole 3 days and 3 nights, in which case Jesus rising at the END of that time frame would be the start of a 4th day.”, be very close to what did happen? In the very chapter where you have picked two verses to support the understanding that the 1st day of the week was the 3rd day in the grave, is there another verse that “clearly” states another understanding? What day was He crucified, killed and put in the grave? Did Jesus define exactly how much time is in a day and, by extension, a night? If so, then would He consider His statement of three days and three nights to be a “time frame”, or would His sign be fulfilled in the way He defined a day and, by extension, a night? Does He always do precisely as He says He will do? Could it be that the time of day they put Him in the grave be the exact time He rose from the grave? About Mark 16:9 Mark 16:9Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
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    , may we discuss this more later? Shalav, Jake
  • Ivan Veller
    Hi Norbert, Re: “the possibility that the resurrection adds extra credence to the weekly Sabbath” “[T]he reaping of the [wave] sheaf” (on Saturday at dusk) “symbolizes Israel giving the firstfruits, the very best of their produce, to God, and this is exactly the symbolism that Jesus fulfilled [1 Corinthians 15:20-23 1 Corinthians 15:20-23 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the first fruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.
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    ]. Christians are also called the firstfruits of God. ‘So as the weekly Sabbath was ending…God resurrected His Son…reap[ing] the best and the first of His spiritual harvest. ‘One might wonder why this happened on the Sabbath. What is the significance of this being done on the Sabbath? It is the Sabbath that commemorates God as Creator” (Rightenbaugh, “Wave Sheaf,” Forerunner Commentary). “Christ’s apostles and their converts…[observed the Sabbath] with a renewed emphasis on the ‘new’ person God is in the process of creating”: http://www.ucg.org/booklet/ten-commandments/fourth-commandment-key-relat… In the Millennial Sabbath rest “[following] Christ’s return, He will bring the creation in its entirety into harmony with God”: http://www.ucg.org/booklet/gods-holy-day-plan-promise-hope-all-mankind/f…
  • Mike Exton
    Luke 24:13-14 Luke 24:13-14 13 And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about three score furlongs. 14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened.
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    (NLT)— “That same day [SUNDAY] two of Jesus’ followers were walking to the village of Emmaus, seven miles from Jerusalem. As they walked along they were talking…” Luke 24:20-21 Luke 24:20-21 20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him. 21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
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    (NLT)— “…But our leading priests and other religious leaders handed Him over to be CONDEMNED TO DEATH, AND THEY CRUCIFIED HIM…. THIS [THE CONDEMNING AND CRUCIFYING OF JESUS] ALL HAPPENED THREE DAYS AGO [THURSDAY!!!].” But how do other translations render Luke 24:20-21 Luke 24:20-21 20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him. 21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
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    ? Do they also clearly state that Jesus was crucified on a THURSDAY? KJ — “…CONDEMNED to death… CRUCIFIED him… today is the THIRD day since THESE things were done.” PME — “…HANDED HIM OVER FOR EXECUTION, and had him CRUCIFIED… it’s THREE days since all THIS happened…” RSV — “…CONDEMNED to death, and CRUCIFIED him… it is now the THIRD day since THIS happened.” NIV — “…handed him over to be SENTENCED to death, and they CRUCIFIED him… it is the THIRD day since all THIS took place.” So, as you can plainly see, other translations give the same meaning as the NLT. They ALL show beyond any doubt whatsoever that Jesus was crucified three days prior to Sunday—THURSDAY! And resurrected on Sunday (Mark 16:9 Mark 16:9Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
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    ).
  • Mike Exton
    Mark 16:9 Mark 16:9Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
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    emphatically states that Jesus Christ was resurrected on a Sunday: KJ- “Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week…” NKJ- “Now when He rose early on the first day of the week…” NLT- “After Jesus rose from the dead early on Sunday morning…” LB- “It was early on Sunday morning when Jesus came back to life…” PME- “When Jesus rose early on that first day of the week…” RSV- “Now when He rose early on the first day of the week…” NIV- “When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week…” JB- “Having risen in the morning on the first day of the week…” NEB- “When He had risen from the dead early on Sunday morning…” So as you can plainly see, Jesus was resurrected on a SUNDAY. Please do not reject this simple truth. Remember what God tells us in Hosea 4:6 Hosea 4:6My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you shall be no priest to me: seeing you have forgotten the law of your God, I will also forget your children.
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    —“…Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you…” And don’t forget, as Luke 24:20-21 Luke 24:20-21 20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him. 21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
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    clearly points out, Christ was crucified on a THURSDAY.
  • Norbert Z
    @ Mike Exton, What Luke 24:20 Luke 24:20And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
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    clearly points out is a good example of translator bias going on with the original manuscripts. It occurs with other verses as well. The New Berkeley Version in Modern English— Gerrit Verkugl “Moreover, three days have already passed, since all these events occurred.” The Syriac New Testament Translated Into English From The Peshitto Version — James Murdock “…and lo, three days have passed since all these things have occurred.” When a person understands that during Christ’s time, the Bible supports the knowledge that those people talked of days inclusively rather than exclusively as we do now. Seems to me, there are two basic views of Luke 24:20 Luke 24:20And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
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    and one of them is translator bias. The argument for a Wed crucifixion is solid and people will make conclusions according to their own bias too. @ Ivan, Imo a person would have to do too many mental cartwheels to land at the conclusion that somehow the resurrection of Jesus adds credence to the weekly Sabbath. I believe that follows a similar kind of reasoning that somehow Sunday is now the authoritative day of worship for Christians. Nether of them have much to stand on in my view.
  • Lily
    To Mike Exton- Thank you for walking us through what God is telling us really happened, and when, the year Jesus was crucified!
  • Mike Exton
    To Norbert Z, So you’re saying that the translators of the KJV, NKJV, RSV, NIV, PME, NLT, GNT, ASV, CEB, CJB, RHE, GW, HNV, CSB, LEB, NAS, NCV, NIRV, NRS, DBY, MSG, WBT, TMB, TNIV, WNT, WEB, WYC, YLT, and just about every other translator in the entire world translated Luke 24:20-21 Luke 24:20-21 20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him. 21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
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    the way they did because they were biased towards a THURSDAY crucifixion???!!! As I stated in an earlier comment, please do not forget what God tells in Hosea 4:6 Hosea 4:6My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you shall be no priest to me: seeing you have forgotten the law of your God, I will also forget your children.
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    (NKJV): “…Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you…” Rejecting what God clearly says in His Word is not something that should be taken lightly.
  • Norbert Z
    Mike Exton, I stated that translator bias exists and provided evidence as proof; that people read different things into other peoples words. Similar to suggesting my comment could imply that the translators were specifically biased towards a Thursday crucifixion. I assume you understand the difference between inclusive and exclusive passage of days. And what that does with a verse like Luke 24:21 Luke 24:21But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
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    . Besides if the precedent of having a majority view is always the correct and valid one, then the verses quoting Jesus’ statement about the sign of Jonah should be blotted out from the Bible. Seeing most people believe Easter provides a valid timeline. People trying figure out where to stand on the question of “How Long He Would Be Entombed?”, need to examine all arguments made for those events. Not only here on the UCG website, but investigate plenty of others with an opposing argument. Then come to their own conclusion. The way I see it, Hosea 4:6 Hosea 4:6My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you shall be no priest to me: seeing you have forgotten the law of your God, I will also forget your children.
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    is NOT relevant to this discussion, there’s plenty of knowledge freely available online. However 1 Timothy 1:7 1 Timothy 1:7Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
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    is appropriate, “desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm”
  • Ivan Veller
    @ Mike Exton, “‘[He was] condemned to death and crucified’” (Luke 24:21 Luke 24:21But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
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    b NKJV). “‘But [1] we were hoping [2] that he was [3] the one who was going [4] to redeem Israel. But in addition [5] to all these things, this is the third day [since] these things took place’” (Luke 24:19-21 Luke 24:19-21 19 And he said to them, What things? And they said to him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people: 20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him. 21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
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    LEB 2010). [1] “moreover” (Biblos Interlinear: Westcott-Hort 1881); “yet” (Scripture4All Interlinear: Scrivener Textus Receptus 1894) [2] “were hoping”—imperfect indicative active tense (WH); “expected” (TR)] [3] “is”—present indicative (WH); “is” (TR) [the Messiah] [4] “is about”—present participle active (WH); “one being about” (TR) [5] Translating the word ‘alla’ (S235) can be “difficult, Luke 24:21 Luke 24:21But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
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    …‘but then there is this,’ ‘in spite of all this,’ ‘too,’ ‘into the bargain,’ ‘this, at any rate, has taken place’” (Darby, “Greek Participles and Prepositions”); “Indeed” (NKJV), “And” (ERV 2008), “Besides” (HCSB 2009), “But” (LEB 2010), “Yes” (ESV 2011), “Anyway” (Voice 2012); “otherwise, on the other hand, but” (Luke 24:21 Luke 24:21But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
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    , Biblos Bible Lexicon). A positive rendering breathlessly anticipates the possibility of present fulfillment. A negative one highlights hopes dashed because the days have passed.
  • Andlu Macar
    Thank you Ivan Veller. That puts it in summary as best as one can put it. People can get so hung up on one view that “scotoma” takes place and prevents the mind from seeing what is before one’s eyes. Those disciples were indeed sad and forlorn for an excellent reason. I think only one as loving as our Master/kinsman Redeemer/King would take the time to address those two and their very broken hearts in order to mend them. People today can’t quite understand the depth of their anguish and loss as they contemplated the past years following this young Jewish Rabbi only to see it all end so “tragically” and now, three full days having passed, totally in their eyes…
  • Ivan Veller
    @Mike Exton, Re: “just about every other translator in the entire world” Luke 24:21 Luke 24:21But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
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    b: • “‘three days (have passed) since all these things were done’” (Etheridge 1849, Aramaic [Eastern] Peshitta NT). • “‘three days have passed since all these things have occurred’” (Murdock 1852, Syriac [Western] Peshitto NT) • “‘việc xảy ra đã được ba ngày rồi’” (Vietnamese Bible 1934). • “‘Moreover, three days have already passed, since all these events occurred’” (Verkugl 1959, New Berkeley Version in Modern English) • “‘con tutto ciò son passati tre giorni da quando queste cose sono accadute’” (Conferenza Episcopale Italiana 1971). • “‘Pero ya hace tres días que pasó todo eso’” (Dios Habla Hoy 1996, Sociedades Bíblicas Unidas). • “‘Till allt detta kommer att han redan har låtit den tredje dagen gå, sedan detta skedde’” (Svenska Folkbibeln 1998, Stiftelsen Svenska Folkbibeln). • “‘Voilà déjà trois jours que tout cela est arrivé’” (La Bible du Semeur 1999, Biblica). • “‘já faz três dias que essas coisas aconteceram’” (Portuguese ERV 1999, World Bible Translation Center). • “‘ya hace tres días que sucedió todo esto’” (Nueva Versión Internacional 1999, Biblica). (continued below)
  • Ivan Veller
    (concluded) • “‘Pero ya hace tres días’” (Traducción en Lenguaje Actual 2000, Sociedades Bíblicas Unidas). • “‘all these things since days (have passed) three’” (Younan 2001, “Peshitta Aramaic/English Interlinear NT”). • “‘с тех пор прошло три дня’” (Russian ERV 2007, World Bible Translation Center). • “‘Nosotros teníamos la esperanza de que él iba a ser el libertador de Israel, pero ya han pasado tres días desde que sucedió todo esto’” (La Palabra 2010 [versiónes española y hispanoamericana], Sociedad Bíblica de España). • “‘不但如此,而且這事成就,現在已經三天了’” (Chinese Union Version M.P. 2011 [simplified and traditional versions], Asia Bible Society) • “‘những việc ấy đã xảy ra ba ngày rồi’” (Bản Dịch 2011, Bau Dang) • [Footnote: “Codex does not have ‘today’”] “a.路加福音 24:21 有古抄本没有“今天” (Chinese Standard Bible 2011 [simplified and traditional versions], Asia Bible Society) • “‘Nosotros teníamos la esperanza de que él habría de redimir a Israel. Sin embargo, ya van tres días de que todo esto pasó’” [Updated from: “‘hoy es ya el tercer día’” (Reina-Valera 1995)] (Reina Valera Contemporánea 2011, Sociedades Bíblicas Unidas).
  • Ivan Veller
    Here’s our recent Beyond Today broadcast on the topic: http://www.ucg.org/beyond-today-program/doctrinal-beliefs/three-days-and…
  • RachelSmith
    Intriguing conversation! I see great points in everyone’s arguments. On the surface there appears a contradiction in the scriptures: 1) A full 3 nights and 3 days from Wednesday would have Jesus rising at about sunset on Saturday yet 2) Cleopas and the other disciple, as they talk to Jesus on their way to Emmaus on a Sunday, seem to say in Luke 24:21 Luke 24:21But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
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    that it was 3 days ago (Thursday) that Jesus was crucified. Either way, I don’t see how anyone can get a Friday crucifixion out of this, so I won’t even go there. This isn’t a firm assertion, but I wonder if the intended recipient(s) of the main scripture in question (both in Luke 24 and Mark 16) has something to do with this? The scriptures give details of the last week of Jesus’s life in Jewish terms, giving information about the Passover, Feast of UB, Preparation Day, and Sabbath(s). Yet, the audience of both Mark and Luke is primarily Roman and Gentile. Is it possible that we’re all correct here? That Jesus actually rose at sunset on Saturday (the last moment of the Sabbath), but that the writers explained the timing in terms with which the Roman/Gentile audience would have been more familiar?
  • H.G. Hennis
    Rachel Smith, What may seem like a surface “contradiction” to you can be understood as being in perfect agreement with the other Scriptures when the Greek texts of Mark 16:9 Mark 16:9Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
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    and Luke 24:21 Luke 24:21But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
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    are examined. In Mark 16:9 Mark 16:9Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
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    , the first Greek word is the aorist participle αναστας (“after rising,” “after having risen,” “after [He] arose,” etc.). This participle helps determine that the resurrection had already taken place before the time of the controlling verb εφανη (“He was seen,” “He was manifested,” “He appeared,” etc.). The context of Mark 16:6 Mark 16:6And he said to them, Be not affrighted: You seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.
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    , Mark 16:14 Mark 16:14Afterward he appeared to the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.
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    , and the collective Gospel accounts rule out a simultaneous resurrection and appearance to Mary Magdalene, since the tomb was ALREADY EMPTY and Jesus Christ HAD ALREADY RISEN some time BEFORE He visibly appeared to her (cf. Matthew 28:6 Matthew 28:6He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
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    , Luke 24:6 Luke 24:6He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spoke to you when he was yet in Galilee,
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    , John 20:1-2 John 20:1-2 1 The first day of the week comes Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, to the sepulcher, and sees the stone taken away from the sepulcher. 2 Then she runs, and comes to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and said to them, They have taken away the LORD out of the sepulcher, and we know not where they have laid him.
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    , John 20:10-18 John 20:10-18 10 Then the disciples went away again to their own home. 11 But Mary stood without at the sepulcher weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulcher, 12 And sees two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain. 13 And they say to her, Woman, why weep you? She said to them, Because they have taken away my LORD, and I know not where they have laid him. 14 And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus. 15 Jesus said to her, Woman, why weep you? whom seek you? She, supposing him to be the gardener, said to him, Sir, if you have borne him hence, tell me where you have laid him, and I will take him away. 16 Jesus said to her, Mary. She turned herself, and said to him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. 17 Jesus said to her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brothers, and say to them, I ascend to my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. 18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the LORD, and that he had spoken these things to her.
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    ). The HCSB 2009 translation of Mark 16:9 Mark 16:9Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
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    reads: “Early on the first day of the week, after He had risen, He appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom He had driven seven demons.”
  • H.G. Hennis
    Rachel Smith, (part 2) Regarding Luke 24:21 Luke 24:21But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
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    b, many English versions inadequately translate the Greek verb αγει as “__ is” in this part of the verse (like εστιν, a different verb). In this temporal context other Greek scholars have translated αγει as: “__ passes” (Brown), “__ is passing” (Young), “__ has been” (Brooks), “___ has already allowed… to pass” (Turner), “___ have already passed” (Verkuyl), etc. Greek manuscripts from Egyptian sources omit σημερον (“today”), so some translations do not include it. The misleading translation of “today [is the] third day” is more literally translatable as: “today it passes it, [the] third day…” This was a promised “third day” (Luke 24:7-8 Luke 24:7-8 7 Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again. 8 And they remembered his words,
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    ), which these two disciples have already been partially informed of after the discovery of the empty tomb and the explanation by angels (Luke 24:22-24 Luke 24:22-24 22 Yes, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulcher; 23 And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive. 24 And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulcher, and found it even so as the women had said: but him they saw not.
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    , Luke 24:4-9 Luke 24:4-9 4 And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments: 5 And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said to them, Why seek you the living among the dead? 6 He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spoke to you when he was yet in Galilee, 7 Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again. 8 And they remembered his words, 9 And returned from the sepulcher, and told all these things to the eleven, and to all the rest.
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    ). As Turner, Verkuyl, and Brooks independently suggest, the third day has already passed. A translation of “__ has passed” could be understood as a Greek “perfective present… [which] emphasizes the present reality of something which came into being in the past… [and] the perfective idea of existing results…” (Brooks 89-90).
  • H.G. Hennis
    Rachel Smith, (part 3) According to the chart at members.ucg.org/papers/hebcal_apx.pdf, there was not a Nisan 14th Passover day that fell on a Thursday during the years 28-33 CE (by the common methods of determining the Hebrew calendar mentioned with the chart). Another HebCal site’s pre-Gregorian approximations applied retroactively do not yield a Nisan 14th Passover on a Thursday during those years either. It is unlikely that Jesus Christ was crucified outside of this year range based on the following Biblical criteria: 1 - Jesus Christ was born ⇐ 2 years before the death of Herod the Great circa 3-4 BCE (cf. Matthew 2:1-3 Matthew 2:1-3 1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, 2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. 3 When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.
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    , 16, 19-22) 2 - Jesus Christ’s ministry started when he was near 30 years old (Luke 3:23 Luke 3:23And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,
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    ) 3 - Three annual spring Passovers are mentioned during Christ’s ministry (cf. John 2:13 John 2:13And the Jews’ passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
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    , 2:23, 6:4, 12:1, 18:39, etc.)
  • RachelSmith
    Thanks for your detailed response, H.G. However, your reply was based on the incorrect inference that I was saying there are scriptural contradictions. That wasn’t my point at all. My point was that we have to consider WHO is speaking in the context, not just what is being said. Just because a person is quoted doesn’t mean what they say is correct. And if they contradict with Jesus’ words, His will overrule. First, Luke 24:13-35 Luke 24:13-35 13 And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about three score furlongs. 14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened. 15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them. 16 But their eyes were held that they should not know him. 17 And he said to them, What manner of communications are these that you have one to another, as you walk, and are sad? 18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said to him, Are you only a stranger in Jerusalem, and have not known the things which are come to pass there in these days? 19 And he said to them, What things? And they said to him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people: 20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him. 21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done. 22 Yes, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulcher; 23 And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive. 24 And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulcher, and found it even so as the women had said: but him they saw not. 25 Then he said to them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: 26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? 27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded to them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. 28 And they drew near to the village, where they went: and he made as though he would have gone further. 29 But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them. 30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and broke, and gave to them. 31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight. 32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures? 33 And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them, 34 Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and has appeared to Simon. 35 And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.
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    is a passage about quickly dwindling faith after not yet seeing. Cleopas was sad he hadn’t seen Jesus although others said they had. Second, Cleopas was Greek, not Jewish, and his definition of a day would be different from that of Jews. Jesus’ words overrule (He would be entombed three days and three nights). Also, Cleopas wasn’t even present at Jesus’ burial in order to accurately determine when and how long He was buried. (Only Joseph of Arimathea and some women were there.) So, it’s just silly to base an entire argument on one verse that was a quote of a minor Bible figure not definitively seen elsewhere in scripture, who wasn’t Jewish and was simply saddened he hadn’t seen Jesus. It’s obvious he was distraught and confused. ~Rachel
  • H.G. Hennis
    Rachel, Thanks for the polite reply & clarification of your primary intent. I’m sorry that I misunderstood some of your points, but I’m happy that your statement, “On the surface there appears a contradiction in the scriptures…” does not apply to you personally. Good for you! It is true that in certain contexts, WHO is speaking can make a big difference, and the untrustworthy testimony of Ananias and Sapphira in Acts 5:1-11 Acts 5:1-11 1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, 2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles’ feet. 3 But Peter said, Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? 4 Whiles it remained, was it not your own? and after it was sold, was it not in your own power? why have you conceived this thing in your heart? you have not lied to men, but to God. 5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. 6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him. 7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in. 8 And Peter answered to her, Tell me whether you sold the land for so much? And she said, Yes, for so much. 9 Then Peter said to her, How is it that you have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried your husband are at the door, and shall carry you out. 10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband. 11 And great fear came on all the church, and on as many as heard these things.
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    would fall into that category. Yes, Cleopas & the other disciple were experiencing doubts as evidenced by their words, “But we had hoped…” (Luke 24:21 Luke 24:21But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
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    a, NRSV), and Christ’s comment to them about being “slow of heart to believe…” (Luke 24:25 Luke 24:25Then he said to them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
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    b). However, I *personally* don’t think Cleopas was referring to a different “third day” in Luke 24:21 Luke 24:21But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
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    than was mentioned in Luke 24:7 Luke 24:7Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.
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    , 24:46, 9:22 or 18:33 – nor do I think he was using a different method of counting/timing than the apostles he was acquainted with (cf. Luke 24:33-35 Luke 24:33-35 33 And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them, 34 Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and has appeared to Simon. 35 And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.
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    ). As noted in the post on Lk 24:21’s Greek text, the third day had already passed & that was a likely contributor to the fading hopes of Cleopas. Like you, I think Jesus fulfilled His promise near sunset (Matthew 12:40 Matthew 12:40For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
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    , Luke 23:52-54 Luke 23:52-54 52 This man went to Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. 53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulcher that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid. 54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
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    ).
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    Rachel, (part 2) Regarding your assertion that “Cleopas was Greek, not Jewish…,” do you have strong evidence to back that up? Although it’s certainly possible that his NAME was of Greek origin and related to the name Kleopatros; it is also possible that it was related to the name Clopas (cf. John 19:25 John 19:25Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.
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    ), which Bauer suggests is probably Semitic (קלופא) - though it is not certain. The Aramaic Peshitta NT actually has the same name for both Cleopas in Luke 24:18 Luke 24:18And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said to him, Are you only a stranger in Jerusalem, and have not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?
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    and Clopas/Cleophas in John 19:25 John 19:25Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.
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    (קליופא). As you know, name and ETHNICITY can differ. As noted in John 1:42 John 1:42And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, You are Simon the son of Jona: you shall be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.
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    and Matthew 10:2 Matthew 10:2Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
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    , Simon (שמעון) was also called Peter (Πετρος in Greek) and Cephas (כאפא in Aramaic), but he was ethnically Israelite (Galatians 2:14-15 Galatians 2:14-15 14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, If you, being a Jew, live after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compel you the Gentiles to live as do the Jews? 15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
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    a). Hadassah was better known by the Gentile name Esther, but she identified the Jews as her people (Esther 8:3-6 Esther 8:3-6 3 And Esther spoke yet again before the king, and fell down at his feet, and sought him with tears to put away the mischief of Haman the Agagite, and his device that he had devised against the Jews. 4 Then the king held out the golden scepter toward Esther. So Esther arose, and stood before the king, 5 And said, If it please the king, and if I have favor in his sight, and the thing seem right before the king, and I be pleasing in his eyes, let it be written to reverse the letters devised by Haman the son of Hammedatha the Agagite, which he wrote to destroy the Jews which are in all the king’s provinces: 6 For how can I endure to see the evil that shall come to my people? or how can I endure to see the destruction of my kindred?
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    , 2:7). Hanaiah, Mishael & Azariah are better known by their Babylonian names: Shadrach, Mesach & Abed-nego (Daniel 1:7 Daniel 1:7To whom the prince of the eunuchs gave names: for he gave to Daniel the name of Belteshazzar; and to Hananiah, of Shadrach; and to Mishael, of Meshach; and to Azariah, of Abednego.
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    ), but they were also Israelites. If you have done significant research beyond his name, it would probably be interesting to read. I personally believe the context doesn’t require a different timing system.

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