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What happens to us after we die? Where are our loved ones who have passed on? Will we ever see them again?

Everyone needs to know that life has purpose, that death isn't the permanent end of our existence. The most common Christian belief regarding the afterlife is that people possess souls and at death their consciousness in the form of that soul departs from the body and heads for heaven or hell.

Most religions teach some form of life after death. The ancient Egyptians, for example, practiced elaborate ceremonies to prepare the pharaohs for their next life. They constructed massive pyramids and other elaborate tombs filled with luxuries the deceased were assumed to need in the hereafter.

In some civilizations when a ruler died others who had accompanied and served him in his life were put to death so they could immediately serve him in the afterlife. Wives and other relatives, servants, sometimes even household pets joined him in death and a supposed entrance into a new life on the other side.

Belief in the immortality of the soul was an important aspect of ancient thought espoused by the Greek philosophers Socrates, Plato and Aristotle. Plato, in Phaedo, presents Socrates' explanation of death: “Is it not the separation of soul and body? And to be dead is the completion of this; when the soul exists in herself, and is released from the body and body is released from the soul, what is this but death?” ( Five Great Dialogues, Classics Club edition, 1969, p. 93).

Socrates explained that the immortal soul, once freed from the body, is rewarded according to good deeds or punished for evil. Socrates lived ca. 470-399 B.C., so his view of the soul predated Christianity.

Plato (ca. 428-348 B.C.) saw man's existence as divided into the material and spiritual, or “Ideal,” realms. “Plato reasoned that the soul, being eternal, must have had a pre-existence in the ideal world where it learned about the eternal Ideals” (William S. Sahakian, History of Philosophy, 1968, p. 56). In Plato's reasoning, man is meant to attain goodness and return to the Ideal through the experiences of the transmigration of the soul. Thus secular philosophies sanction the idea of the immortal soul, even though the Bible does not. Believe it or not, God's Word teaches something entirely different.

History of a Controversial Teaching

The doctrine of the immortal soul caused much controversy in the early Catholic Church.

Origen (ca. 185-254) was the first person to attempt to organize Christian doctrine into a systematic theology. He was an admirer of Plato and believed in the immortality of the soul and that it would depart to an everlasting reward or everlasting punishment at death.

In Origen De Principiis he wrote: “… The soul, having a substance and life of its own, shall after its departure from the world, be rewarded according to its deserts, being destined to obtain either an inheritance of eternal life and blessedness, if its actions shall have procured this for it, or to be delivered up to eternal fire and punishments, if the guilt of its crimes shall have brought it down to this …” ( Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. 4, 1995, p. 240).

Origen taught that human souls existed before the body but are imprisoned in the physical world as a form of punishment. Physical life, he reasoned, is a purification process to return humans to a spiritual state.

Later Augustine (354-430) tackled the problem of the immortality of the soul and death. For Augustine death meant the destruction of the body, but the conscious soul would continue to live in either a blissful state with God or an agonizing state of separation from God.

In The City of God he wrote that the soul “is therefore called immortal, because in a sense, it does not cease to live and to feel; while the body is called mortal because it can be forsaken of all life, and cannot by itself live at all. The death, then, of the soul, takes place when God forsakes it, as the death of the body when the soul forsakes it” ( Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. 2, 1995, p. 245.)

The influences of pagan Platonic philosophy on Origen and Augustine are profound. Richard Tarnas, in his best-seller The Passion of the Western Mind, points to this influence: “… It was Augustine's formulation of Christian Platonism that was to permeate virtually all of medieval Christian thought in the West. So enthusiastic was the Christian integration of the Greek spirit that Socrates and Plato were frequently regarded as divinely inspired pre-Christian saints …” (1991, p. 103).

Centuries later Thomas Aquinas (ca. 1225-1274) crystallized the doctrine of the immortal soul in The Summa Theologica. He taught that the soul is a conscious intellect and will and cannot be destroyed.

A few centuries later the leaders of the Protestant Reformation generally accepted these traditional views, so they became entrenched in traditional Protestant teaching.

The immortality of the soul is foundational in Western thought, both philosophical and religious. Belief in going to heaven or hell depends on it. But does the Bible teach that death is the separation of body and soul or that the soul is immortal?

Hebrew Understanding of the Soul

The Hebrew word translated “soul” in the Old Testament is nephesh, which simply means “a breathing creature.” Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words defines nephesh as “the essence of life, the act of breathing, taking breath … The problem with the English term 'soul' is that no actual equivalent of the term or the idea behind it is represented in the Hebrew language. The Hebrew system of thought does not include the combination or opposition of the 'body' and 'soul' which are really Greek and Latin in origin” (1985, p. 237-238, emphasis added).

The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible makes this comment on nephesh: “The word 'soul' in English, though it has to some extent naturalized the Hebrew idiom, frequently carries with it overtones, ultimately coming from philosophical Greek (Platonism) and from Orphism and Gnosticism which are absent in 'nephesh.' In the OT it never means the immortal soul, but it is essentially the life principle, or the living being, or the self as the subject of appetite, and emotion, occasionally of volition” (Vol. 4, 1962, “Soul,” emphasis added).

That nephesh doesn't refer to an immortal soul can be seen in the way the word is used in the Old Testament. It is translated “soul” or “being” in reference to man in Genesis 2:7 Genesis 2:7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
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, but also to animals by being translated “creature” in Genesis 1:24 Genesis 1:24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
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. Nephesh is translated “body” in Leviticus 21:11 Leviticus 21:11Neither shall he go in to any dead body, nor defile himself for his father, or for his mother;
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in reference to a human corpse.

The Hebrew Scriptures state plainly that, rather than possess immortality, the soul can and does die. “The soul [ nephesh ] who sins shall die” (Ezekiel 18:4 Ezekiel 18:4Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sins, it shall die.
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, Ezekiel 18:20 Ezekiel 18:20The soul that sins, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be on him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be on him.
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).

The Old Testament describes the dead as going to sheol, translated into English as “hell,” “pit” or “grave.” Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
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describes sheol as a place of unconsciousness: “For the living know that they will die; but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, their hatred, and their envy have now perished …”

King David laments that death extinguishes a relationship with God. “For in death there is no remembrance of You; in the grave who will give You thanks?” (Psalms 6:5 Psalms 6:5For in death there is no remembrance of you: in the grave who shall give you thanks?
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The immortal-soul concept isn't part of the Old Testament, but it began to make inroads into Jewish thought as Jews came in contact with Greek culture. In the first century the Jewish philosopher Philo taught a Platonic concept: “… The death of a man is the separation of his soul from his body …” ( The Works of Philo, translated by C.D. Yonge, 1993, p. 37). Philo followed the Hellenistic view that the soul is freed upon death to an everlasting life of virtue or evil.

The Apostles' View

In the New Testament the Greek word translated “soul” is psuche, which is also translated “life.”

In Psalms 16:10 Psalms 16:10For you will not leave my soul in hell; neither will you suffer your Holy One to see corruption.
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David uses nephesh (“soul”) to claim that the “Holy One,” or Messiah, wouldn't be left in sheol, the grave. Peter quotes this verse in Acts 2:27 Acts 2:27Because you will not leave my soul in hell, neither will you suffer your Holy One to see corruption.
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, using the Greek psuche for the Hebrew nephesh (notice verses 25-31).

Like nephesh, psuche refers to human “souls” (Acts 2:41 Acts 2:41Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added to them about three thousand souls.
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) and for animals (it is translated “life” in the King James Version of Revelation 8:9 Revelation 8:9And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.
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and Revelation 16:3 Revelation 16:3And the second angel poured out his vial on the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
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). Jesus declared that God can destroy man's psuche, or “soul” (Matthew 10:28 Matthew 10:28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
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If the Old Testament describes death as an unconscious state, how does the New Testament describe it?

No one wrote more about this subject than the apostle Paul. He describes death as “sleep” (1 Corinthians 15:51-58 1 Corinthians 15:51-58 51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is your sting? O grave, where is your victory? 56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, which gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. 58 Therefore, my beloved brothers, be you steadfast, unmovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, for as much as you know that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.
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; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brothers, concerning them which are asleep, that you sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain to the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Why comfort one another with these words.
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).

Many people are surprised to find that the term immortal soul appears nowhere in the Bible. However, though the Scriptures do not speak of the soul as being immortal, they have much to say about immortality. For example: “You know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him” (1 John 3:15 1 John 3:15Whoever hates his brother is a murderer: and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.
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Paul told the members of the congregation in Rome to “seek” immortality (Romans 2:5-7 Romans 2:5-7 5 But after your hardness and impenitent heart treasure up to yourself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life:
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). He taught Christians at Corinth that they must be changed and “put on” immortality (1 Corinthians 15:51-55 1 Corinthians 15:51-55 51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is your sting? O grave, where is your victory?
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). Paul proclaimed that only God and His Son possess immortality (1 Timothy 6:12-16 1 Timothy 6:12-16 12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto you are also called, and have professed a good profession before many witnesses. 13 I give you charge in the sight of God, who vivifies all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession; 14 That you keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: 15 Which in his times he shall show, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16 Who only has immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach to; whom no man has seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power everlasting. Amen.
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) and that eternal life is a “gift” from God (Romans 6:23 Romans 6:23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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The most powerful words come from Jesus Himself: “And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day” (John 6:40 John 6:40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which sees the Son, and believes on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
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True Origin of Immortal-soul Teaching

We've seen in this brief look at the supposedly immortal soul that the Bible teaches no such concept. The idea filtered into Western thought through Greek philosophy. Its origins are older than Athens, in fact as old as man.

The concept of the immortal soul was introduced into man's thinking at the earliest beginnings of human history. God told the first human beings, Adam and Eve, that if they sinned they would die and return to the dust from which He had created them (Genesis 2:17 Genesis 2:17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat of it: for in the day that you eat thereof you shall surely die.
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; Genesis 3:19 Genesis 3:19In the sweat of your face shall you eat bread, till you return to the ground; for out of it were you taken: for dust you are, and to dust shall you return.
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). Satan, the embodiment of evil, the powerful entity who opposes God, assured them they wouldn't die (verses 1-5).

Satan slyly injected into Eve's consciousness the notion that God was lying and that she and her husband would not die, thus ingraining the unscriptural teaching of the immortality of the soul into human thought. Satan has since deceived the world on this important understanding as well as many other biblical truths (Revelation 12:9 Revelation 12:9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceives the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
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). Much of the world, including millions of people in religions outside of traditional Christianity, are convinced they have—or are—immortal souls and hope they will go to a happy place or state of being immediately after they die.

The Biblical Answer to Death

Yet the Bible plainly teaches that the dead lie in the grave and know nothing, think no thoughts, have no emotions, possess no consciousness. Does this mean death, the cessation of life, is final, the end of everything?

The Bible answers this question too. Although mankind is physical, subject to death, the good news is that God promises a resurrection to eternal life to everyone who repents, worships God and accepts Jesus as the Messiah and His sacrifice. The first resurrection to immortality will take place when Christ returns to establish God's Kingdom on this earth.

Later will come another resurrection—to physical life—for people who had never had a relationship with the Father and Jesus Christ. They, too, will gain the opportunity for immortality. The true final answer is not death but resurrection. 

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  • moretalman

    I’ve always believed that people possessed an immortal soul. My reading of the scriptures persuaded me incontrovertably that hell is a place of “everlasting suffering” & that heaven is a place of “eternal bliss”. In recent years, however, I’ve reevaluated.
    I must confess that I currently cannot find a plausible explaination that can reconcile eternal suffering with A just God. This dosent mean that the 2 cant be reconciled. They may be reconcilable but I just can’t currently see how.
    I’ve done some research into the word “ever”. The 1st thing I noted was that if the word “ever” as used with “for” (for ever) meant eternity. Why would it be necessary to say “for ever & ever”. It would be unnecessary to say “for eternity & eternity”. This could be an idiomatic expression that’s not meant to be taken literally, or there could be some other plausible yet heretofore unseen explanation.
    I also learned that the word “ever” as used in the A.V. is a the english rendering of the Greek word “aeon” (where we get our english word “eon” as in “eons of time”). In this use eon could mean “a measure of time”, where as eternity could be righty described as timelessness. According to W

  • Ivan Veller

    Hello MortalMan,

    You are not alone in the challenge many people have in trying to reconcile a just God with eternal suffering. Some think that aeon means eternity, while others (such as Rob Bell) take a far more radical view:

    Rob Bell’s Book Stirs Fierce Controversy About Hell
     http://www.ucg.org/commentary/rob-bells-book-stirs-fierce-controversy-about-hell/

    However, while I am glad to see a book such as this give God credit for being merciful and loving, I believe the heart of the matter comes down to the fact that God is calling only a small group of people now (the ‘firstfruits’), and then many more later (the main ‘harvest’). God does not hold people responsible for what they don’t know. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned or understood, so it takes the miracle of God’s divine call to open a person’s mind to the truth. “Many are called”—in other words, not everyone is called now. Everyone will be given a chance to follow God. You may find the scriptures contained in this booklet to be of great encouragement and comfort in your quest:

    Heaven and Hell: What Does the Bible Really Teach?
     http://www.ucg.org/booklet/heaven-and-hell-what-does-bible-really-teach/

  • TheMak5
    There is absolutely nothing difficult in explaining why a perfectly JUST God would eternally punish someone in hell. First of all, we all must agree that we have all sinned. Sinned not against other people, but an infinitely GOOD and JUST God. It goes kind of like this: When you lie to your kids, there’s really no punishment for your lie. When you lie to your wife, you sleep on the sofa. When you lie to your boss, you lose your job. When you lie in court, you commit perjury and could face jail time. As you see, the crime is still the same, but WHO you commit it AGAINST results in different outcome. How much greater is God ? How much more Holy, Pure, and Just is He that when we commit even the smallest sin against an infinite God, we DO deserve the severest possible punishment. You can twist and turn the Bible passages anyway you’d like, but it’s just your conscience trying to justify itself. No matter how “good” we are, we are still law-breakers of God’s standard. This is why we need Jesus, an infinite sacrifice for our sins. Without Jesus, we are doomed for eternal weeping and gnashing of teeth.
  • Steven Britt
    TheMak5, I don’t find your argument effective because you’re neglecting the fact that ANY lie, whether to your kids, spouse, or whoever, is a sin against God and therefore bears the EXACT SAME penalty. You are using human reasoning to justify a position that is simply not supported by the bible. The scriptures are very clear that the penalty for all sin is death (Romans 6:23 Romans 6:23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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    ) - I challenge you to do the following: 1. Find where in the bible it says explicitly that eternal torture will be punishment for human beings. 2. If you think you’ve found a scripture that does that, then reconcile it with the scriptures presented in this article about what death is (such as Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
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    ) and that the penalty for sin is death (such as Ezekiel 18:20 Ezekiel 18:20The soul that sins, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be on him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be on him.
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    and Romans 6:23 Romans 6:23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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    ). If you can’t reconcile your view with EVERY scripture in the bible, then it’s not correct - the bible does not contradict itself. To be fair, you are free to challenge me to a similar task with scriptures of your own choosing.
  • Ajenja
    Why would the Bible talk about a second death if your punishment is eternal? Revelation 20:14 Revelation 20:14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
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    ” Then death and hades were thrown into the lake of fire. this is the second death, the lake of fire” personally i believe that one will only burn for your sins. once you have “paid” you will die and become ash.
  • FerronW
    The bible says, “The wages of sin is death”…. not eternal life in hell. Hence when you get sent to hell that is it. you are gone, ashes. Elvis has left the building
  • ash_mobius
    I’m curious where the belief comes from when people say Jesus was an “infinite sacrifice for our sins.” Wasn’t Jesus’ suffering and death temporary? Where does it say in Scripture that our sins require an infinite sacrifice? The wages of sin—death—appear to be quite finite. And by the definite of “infinite,” its quite literally impossible for Jesus to be an infinite sacrifice, because we know His sacrifice had a beginning and that it had an end. And if it had an end, the wages of sin can neither be eternal. If the wages of sin is “eternal torment in hell,” then how did Jesus pay the price? Sorry for my stream of thought comment—but I REALLY REALLY want to know how the mythology of “infinite sacrifice for sin” began and where it came from!
  • Sabrina Peabody
    I agree ash_mobius! I had never thought of it that way but you are right. Jesus provided a finite sacrifice, so why would humans have to have eternal torment?
  • Skip
    Hello ash_mobius, I’m curious too. Perhaps I just missed it but where does the quote, “infinite sacrifice for our sins” come from? I mean you quote it, from where?
  • Bature
    The doctrine of the Immortality of the Soul is not biblical and as a such, it should be discarded. It is strange as to why the Catholic Church supports this demonic teaching.
  • Baker_Chick
    What I can’t reconcile about the eternal punishment is the cruelty of it. For example, if a person sins for 25 years, totally evil, dies. He goes to hell to be supernaturally kept alive so he can be punished for trillions of years? That is the most evil thing I’ve ever heard! And that doesn’t make sense about the God I know. I think that people will be destroyed, as precious commenters said, and turned into ash. But not tortured forever. Doesn’t make sense (besides not being biblical).
  • thebetterval
    @Bature if the immortal soul is not biblical, then what is eternity for you? Is it just 1000years? @ash_mobius It’s not about the finite sacrifice of Jesus’ but about the way the Father justifies us from our sins. God’s punishment for our sin is death and even hell. However, His way of forgiveness or justification is the sacrifice of the perfect Lamb who is Jesus. just like in old testament. When people sin, they offer sacrifices such as lamb, where the blood will be spilled so that they can be forgiven. That sacrificial ritual justified them from their sins. But this time, a perfect sacrifice was made, that is Jesus for the forgiveness of all who will believe in Him, not only in Jesus’s generation, but in all generation. @Baker Chic Yep, that is harsh, eternal cruelty is the most evil thing in the world. And it is for the most evil entity who is Satan and the demons. Hell is really for them. However, men chose not to believe in Jesus who can save them from that wrath, they’d rather believe in their own thinking. Because sin can not exist in heaven, that’s why it has to be forgiven, otherwise it will be punished.
  • Malachi 3_16-18
    Hi thebetterval, Eternity is forever. That’s what the word “eternity” means. Perhaps you are thinking of Revelation 20:4 Revelation 20:4And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark on their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
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    , which says that those in the first resurrection will live and reign with Christ for one thousand years. Well, they will, but they will live forever beyond this, too – we have to put all the related verses together to make a clearer picture (John 6:40 John 6:40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which sees the Son, and believes on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
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    ; 1 Corinthians 15:51-55 1 Corinthians 15:51-55 51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is your sting? O grave, where is your victory?
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    ). We are told to seek immortality (Romans 2:6-7 Romans 2:6-7 6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life:
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    ), so it is attainable, but not of ourselves. Revelation 21 goes on to say that after God the Father comes down to dwell with the faithful on earth, “there shall be no more death” (verse 4), so that means immortality for those who have overcome and been changed to spirit form. These and many other verses also promise immortal life to the faithful: Hebrews 9:15 Hebrews 9:15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
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    ; John 3:16 John 3:16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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    , John 10:27-28 John 10:27-28 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give to them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
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    , Romans 6:23 Romans 6:23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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    . For more details on our wonderful hope of eternal life, check out this link: http://www.ucg.org/booklet/road-eternal-life/
  • KARS
    Wow! Why do we have to complicate things? Does it make us look smarter than the average person? Sometimes we have so much to say but in the end; it means nothing. Why do we want to make it so hard to understand? With God our Father’s help through humble prayer we can understand. Did not King Solomon of the Book of Proverbs say to pray for wisdom and understanding? Proverbs 1:1-7 Proverbs 1:1-7 1 The proverbs of Solomon the son of David, king of Israel; 2 To know wisdom and instruction; to perceive the words of understanding; 3 To receive the instruction of wisdom, justice, and judgment, and equity; 4 To give subtlety to the simple, to the young man knowledge and discretion. 5 A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain to wise counsels: 6 To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings. 7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
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    When you begin to pray to God, then you will begin to understand His mercy and why in the end He will burn those that refuse Him. Think about it. The fallen angels cannot be distroyed; they suffer everyday, they suffer for eternity. We in the other hand, have been given grace. We have a choice. You will be for God the Father and His Only Begotten Son; or you won’t. Thus at the resurrection your will be immortal or dead. Burned to ashes. As if you never were. Now that is mericiful. The rebellious people (sons of perdition)will not have to burn in eternal fire with the fallen angels and Satan. There are many articles and booklets on this website for you to learn the true answers to your questions. Type your topic in the box under “Search”. A free library awaits you. Seek wisdom and understand. Shalom
  • Lena VanAusdle
    @thebetterval I believe commenters above have answered you more eloquently than I can, but you ask rhetorical questions without providing scriptures to back up your beliefs. Here are some scriptures to consider: 1. Ezekiel 18:20 Ezekiel 18:20The soul that sins, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be on him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be on him.
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    the soul that sins shall die 2. Ecclesiastes 9:5 Ecclesiastes 9:5For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
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    the dead know nothing 3. Isaiah 26:19 Isaiah 26:19Your dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, you that dwell in dust: for your dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.
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    the dead will rise (not return from heaven) 4. 1 Thessalonians 4:16 1 Thessalonians 4:16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
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    Jesus Christ will return to this earth and the saints will be resurrected 5. Malachi 4:3 Malachi 4:3And you shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, said the LORD of hosts.
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    the wicked will be ashes under the feet of the saints 6. Revelation 21:8 Revelation 21:8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
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    the wicked will be burned up 7. Ephesians 2:3-5 Ephesians 2:3-5 3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love with which he loved us, 5 Even when we were dead in sins, has quickened us together with Christ, (by grace you are saved;)
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    God is full of mercy. Would a merciful father torture his children (Matthew 7:11 Matthew 7:11If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
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    )?
  • linda effenberger
    God made humans a little lower than the angels. Humans are made of flesh and blood whereas the angels are made of spirit - both a creation of God. Mankind is distinguished from the animal kind (nephesh) by a spirit that God gave man. The word in Hebrew “nephesh” can also be translated as “life”, just as it is in Greek. With this in mind, when we read the verse in Ezekiel 18:20 Ezekiel 18:20The soul that sins, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be on him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be on him.
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    , the verse could also be read as such: “The life that sins will die.” Spirit beings have life just like human beings. Angels have the capability to sin, as we know, since Lucifier sinned against the Almighty and became his Adversary. The angels who followed the devil also sinned. So we see the verse in Ezekiel 18:20 Ezekiel 18:20The soul that sins, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be on him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be on him.
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    and in the New Testament deals with all life that has been created by God. This means that the life that sins, whether humans or angels, they will die! In Revelation 21:8 Revelation 21:8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
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    and all through Proverbs we read that wickedness will be burned up! When God includes ALL wickedness, then this surely means the one who is the father of lies and sin! Eternal Spirit that lives forever and never dies only refers to God. Angels with His Spirit will live forever. Those born of God’s Spirit will live forever.
  • shafibenkhader
    When a man dies is he fully perished or some thing in him may be existed ?. I do not mean that there is a living soul. But when I read the scriptures , I can understand that when we are died our soul will be existed, Other wise how can God resurrect us. If we are fully perished in death we cannot be resurrected , Only a Re—Creation( Creation again) is possible. When Jesus said about death He said that ” Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna (Gehenna is a place for complete destruction )”Matthew 10:28 Matthew 10:28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
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    ..From this scripture we can know that when a man dies his soul is existed ( I never mean that it is a living soul but a dead or dormant [ sleeping soul ] soul) . And the other wordings of Jesus are compatible with this truth “Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live ” John 5:25 John 5:25Truly, truly, I say to you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
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    . That means there is something existed( not live) after death …. And the Apostle Paul’s teachings also give a clear picture about this truth. He metaphorically said it with the plantation of a seed “
  • Whimpus Patheticus
    From a Biblical point of view, it is mortal. The word soul can mean person, being, creature, life, or heart. It simply means “life” and is nowhere described or defined as immortal. The opposite is in fact true. In the New Testament, the anticipation of the Christians hope was the resurrection that was to take place at the 2nd coming of Christ, not the bliss of bodiless rapture upon one’s death. In fact, Paul made it clear that without a bodily resurrection, there was in fact no hope for a future life of any type. 1 Corinthians 15:12-19 1 Corinthians 15:12-19 12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: 14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. 15 Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. 16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; you are yet in your sins. 18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
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    “Now if Christ is preached, that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised; and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain. Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we testified against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised; and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fall
  • Whimpus Patheticus
    Oops, rand out of characters. Just to finish my previous post: If our souls entered eternal bliss after we died, the force of Paul’s argument would be entirely lost. The point he is making is that without the resurrection, all hope is lost, hardly the situation if our souls entered upon an eternally blessed existence after death. In fact, in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brothers, concerning them which are asleep, that you sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain to the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Why comfort one another with these words.
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    , Paul urges us to comfort one another with the hope of the bodily resurrection in contrast to the misguided consolations most Christians give emphasizing the souls of our deceased loved ones immediate transport to heaven. No where in the Bible do we find bereavement assuaged by the notion of the soul’s immediate entrance into heaven.
  • Whimpus Patheticus
    Shafibenkader, here are a couple interesting texts you might like: Leviticus 19:28 Leviticus 19:28You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks on you: I am the LORD.
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    — “You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves:I am the Lord.” The word for “dead” is “nephesh” which is the Hebrew word for “soul.” also Leviticus 21:11 Leviticus 21:11Neither shall he go in to any dead body, nor defile himself for his father, or for his mother;
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    — “nor shall he approach any dead person, nor defile himself even for his father or his mother.” The word for “person” is “nephesh.” In other words the text could be legitimately translated as “nor shall he approach any dead soul.”
  • Malachi 3_16-18
    Hi shafibenkhader, Good question! The soul doesn’t continue to exist. The Bible says, “…the soul who sins shall die” (Ezekiel 18:4 Ezekiel 18:4Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sins, it shall die.
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    and verse 20. When we die, there is no longer any conscious part of us (Eccl 9:5; Psalms 146:4 Psalms 146:4His breath goes forth, he returns to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
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    ). However, there is a spirit, a non-physical component, in humans which distinguishes us from the animals and gives us thinking and reasoning ability, etc (Job 32:8 Job 32:8But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty gives them understanding.
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    ; 1 Corinthians 2:8 1 Corinthians 2:8Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
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    ). When God calls us and gives us His Holy Spirit, it joins with this spirit in man to impart understanding of the deep things of God (1 Corinthians 2:10-16 1 Corinthians 2:10-16 10 But God has revealed them to us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knows the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knows no man, but the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Ghost teaches; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness to him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
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    ; Romans 8:16 Romans 8:16The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
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    ), and to help us to develop His character and mindset. When we die, our body and thoughts perish (Psalms 146:4 Psalms 146:4His breath goes forth, he returns to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
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    ), but our spirit, which contains the record of our lives and hopefully the good character we’ve developed over our lifetime, goes back to the God who gave it to us in the first place (Eccl 12:7). I hope this helps. For more info. , you can order or read online UCG’s free publication, “What Happens After Death?” here: http://www.ucg.org/booklet/what-happens-after-death/ You may also find this link helpful: http://www.ucg.org/bible-faq/if-we-go-sleep-after-death-awaiting-resurre…
  • Church-N-Rome
    If I may I would like to address the issue of a just and fitting God allowing an eternal damnation to the very souls he came to save. Sins do not have to include physical matter such as stealing. You can also sin against God alone, like David states in psalm 51 (sorry I can’t quote it word for word.) I would also like to point out that a sin is committed on an intellectual level and not simply an action one takes. In other words in order to sin you have to know what you’re doing is wrong. For example lying- if you didn’t know what you were saying was not true we don’t consider your account a lie. Sin in that of itself is attractive because it does contain a small amount of good within it, otherwise why would we do it? You wouldn’t lie to your kids because you are trying to hurt them, you might lie to someone because you are afraid that the truth may hurt them. So in this case (and in all cases of sin) there is an intellectual decision that what you did wrong is better than the alternative. It is the choosing of the lesser of two evils if you will. However, at the choice of evil there comes guilt - the pain of sin, which is personal and painful only to the sinner.
  • Church-N-Rome
    Sorry ran out of characters. Resolving to commit sin can lead to a sort of love of the sin. And as you know sin does not exist in heaven. An if the soul really is immortal then what can our loving God do with that soul if that soul would rather sin than be with Him. He really only has two options: destroy it, or put it someplace where it can do the things it wants to do. God didn’t destroy Adam and Eve when he found out that they sinned against Him. He sent them away until he could fix the mess they made. He loved them just as He loves us, and he wouldn’t do something so harsh as make them suffer for eternity to his own children, just like we wouldn’t. So in conclusion, hell is a bad place that people choose to be in. No one made them go there, but changing themselves was not something they were willing to do. And it’s a frightful concept to contemplate, because that could be you or me. We are able to get so tied up in the things of this world that we don’t want to live without them. But ultimately it is our decision to make. Judgement is simply God showing us our inside out. Taking a mirror to our souls if you will. An what you see is who you spent your life becoming.
  • MickDannel
    So if the soul is mortal, then how do you explain Matthew 13:41-42 Matthew 13:41-42 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
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    ?
  • Malachi 3_16-18
    Hi MickDannel, These verses are talking about the lake of fire, the punishment for the unrepentant wicked, which will be permanent only in the sense of its consequences – life snuffed out forever (Daniel 12:2 Daniel 12:2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
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    : Revelation 21:8 Revelation 21:8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
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    ). This fire dies out once the wicked have been burned up and become ashes under the soles of the righteous (Malachi 4:1-3 Malachi 4:1-3 1 For, behold, the day comes, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yes, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that comes shall burn them up, said the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. 2 But to you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and you shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. 3 And you shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, said the LORD of hosts.
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    ). After that, there will be new heavens and a new earth (2 Peter 3:10-13 2 Peter 3:10-13 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hastening to the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwells righteousness.
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    ; Revelation 21:1 Revelation 21:1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
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    ). God is merciful, even to the wicked (2 Peter 3:9 2 Peter 3:9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long-suffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
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    ), and doesn’t want them to be tormented forever. He just wants to end their own suffering, and have nothing in His righteous Kingdom that will be impure or offend (Mt. 13:41; Revelation 21:8 Revelation 21:8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
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    ).
  • rwp_47
    MickDannel … Matthew 13:41-42 Matthew 13:41-42 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
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    just says that when Jesus returns he will have his angels gather up the incorrigibly wicked and destroy them in the lake of fire (Gehenna) - see Revelation 20:15 Revelation 20:15And whoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
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    . There is nothing here that suggests any kind of immortality. For instance, if you were being picked up by the angles to be cast into the fire - wouldn’t you be distressed (i.e., wailing and gnashing of teeth)? But actually its worse than that! Because the death that occurs here is permanent (not temporary like the death we die now). In this particular fire … not only is the body killed but the soul is killed as well. And Matthew clearly explains this in Matthew 10:28 Matthew 10:28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
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    . This is when both the body and soul are being destroyed in Gehenna. There’s no reawakening or resurrection from that That’s what’s happening in 13:41-42. But you are correct in thinking the soul is immortal … at least “conditionally” so. It doesn’t grow old as our bodies do and it would live forever if God didn’t destroy it in this special fire. However - for someone like Abraham (who we know will not be destroyed in Gehenna) - you’re right, his soul is immortal - and unconditionally so.
  • rwp_47
    In the article its stated that - The Hebrew word translated “soul” in the OT is nephesh, which simply means “a breathing creature”. Interestingly, in Leviticus 26:30 Leviticus 26:30And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcasses on the carcasses of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.
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    God says - “And I will destroy your high places and cut down your images, and cast your carcasses upon the carcasses of your idols, and my SOUL [nephesh] shall abhor you.” Is the article’s writer saying that God is “a breathing creature”? Or is it that it is assumed that God is not a soul … but instead has a soul? Although I’m not sure what that would actually mean. And if that’s the case … then how is it that man can be made in God’s image if man is a soul that has a body and spirit but God is constructed in some other manner? Then how are we made in his mage?
  • rwp_47
    Clearly the “common Christian belief” of a conscious soul in death is wrong. The bible everywhere refers to the death we commonly experience as being an unconscious sleep from which we shall at an appointed future date be awakened (resurrected). Also clear from scriptures such as Jeremiah 5:29 Jeremiah 5:29Shall I not visit for these things? said the LORD: shall not my soul be avenged on such a nation as this?
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    [where God speaks of his own nephesh (soul)], a soul is more than simply “a breathing creature” … unless of course that’s how one views God. Probably the most powerfully informative scripture in the bible for clarifying the word soul is Matthew 10:28 Matthew 10:28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
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    (literally a master key for understanding)- “Fear not them [all but God] which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him [God alone] which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell [G1067 Gehenna]”. Easily gleaned from this one scripture: There are two deaths. One nonpermanent (body death only - our common experience), one permanent (death of both body and soul … soul death accomplished only by God and only in Gehenna, not a sleep). Anything soul killing thing should be feared. To date no human has ever experienced soul death (destruction)- it occurs only in the lake of fire.
  • Search4Truth
    Brothers and sisters in Christ, I tend to agree more with MickDaniel and Church-N-Rome. For an authoritative interpretation of God’s Word, listening to His Son, our Lord and God Jesus Christ, alone is essential to a genuine understanding of the belief in life after death (whether we’re wicked or righteous in His sight). There are many passages attesting to this, but at least two have long defined—and settled—the matter at hand: First, John 5:21-29 John 5:21-29 21 For as the Father raises up the dead, and vivifies them; even so the Son vivifies whom he will. 22 For the Father judges no man, but has committed all judgment to the Son: 23 That all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honors not the Son honors not the Father which has sent him. 24 Truly, truly, I say to you, He that hears my word, and believes on him that sent me, has everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death to life. 25 Truly, truly, I say to you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. 26 For as the Father has life in himself; so has he given to the Son to have life in himself; 27 And has given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, to the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, to the resurrection of damnation.
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    . (verse 25: Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. 26For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. 27And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.” How can the dead “hear the voice of the Son of God” when they don’t exist anymore? Death doesn’t end things; it’s a natural consequence of sin, which leads to eternal punishment and damnation. The physical death kills a man, but his spirit lives on to either spend its eternally in Hell (spiritual separation from God), or Heaven (unity with God and reigning with Christ). So many passages attest to this.
  • rwp_47
    Search4Truth - hi Regarding Church-N-Rome - His statement - “He sent them away until he could fix the mess they made.” - is wrong (its a wrong concept). Why? Because Adam and Eve did exactly as God planned. How is that? Because everything is for God - Colossians 1:16 Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
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    . Revelation 5 asks - “Who is worthy to open the book”? Is the answer the Word? Sorry, no. The answer is - no one. The primary purpose of this creation was to change that answer. How was it changed? By his suffering (Hebrews 2:10 Hebrews 2:10For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
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    ). If Adam & Eve didn’t make a mess then how could he suffer? And if he didn’t suffer - then how could he become worthy? So the plan required them to make a mess. Because the whole purpose of the plan was to make him worthy. And it was their mess that was used (as planned) to do that. It was no accident … the whole thing was God planned. You think death doesn’t end things? The second death does (Matthew 10:28 Matthew 10:28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
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    ). Because you’re a soul … not a spirit. So many passages attest to this? Really? Then name one. Note: So few characters were allowed - requiring extreme brevity. So the above may have sounded “curt” but that wasn’t intended.

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