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Do We Have to Sin to Suffer?

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Do We Have to Sin to Suffer?

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Throughout the ages there have been many ideas as to the causes of suffering. Why do human beings suffer? Is it always "the fault" of the one suffering? What else may be at work behind "the curtains" of the stage that is life?

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(Deuteronomy 28:1 Deuteronomy 28:1And it shall come to pass, if you shall listen diligently to the voice of the LORD your God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command you this day, that the LORD your God will set you on high above all nations of the earth:
American King James Version×
)  “Now it shall come to pass, if you diligently obey the voice of the LORD your God, to observe carefully all His commandments which I command you today, that the LORD your God will set you high above all nations of the earth.
(Deuteronomy 28:2 Deuteronomy 28:2And all these blessings shall come on you, and overtake you, if you shall listen to the voice of the LORD your God.
American King James Version×
)  And all these blessings shall come upon you and overtake you, because you obey the voice of the LORD your God:
(Deuteronomy 28:3 Deuteronomy 28:3Blessed shall you be in the city, and blessed shall you be in the field.
American King James Version×
)  “Blessed shall you be in the city, and blessed shall you be in the country.
(Deuteronomy 28:4 Deuteronomy 28:4Blessed shall be the fruit of your body, and the fruit of your ground, and the fruit of your cattle, the increase of your cows, and the flocks of your sheep.
American King James Version×
)  “Blessed shall be the fruit of your body, the produce of your ground and the increase of your herds, the increase of your cattle and the offspring of your flocks.
(Deuteronomy 28:5 Deuteronomy 28:5Blessed shall be your basket and your store.
American King James Version×
)  “Blessed shall be your basket and your kneading bowl.
(Deuteronomy 28:6 Deuteronomy 28:6Blessed shall you be when you come in, and blessed shall you be when you go out.
American King James Version×
)  “Blessed shall you be when you come in, and blessed shall you be when you go out.
(Deuteronomy 28:7 Deuteronomy 28:7The LORD shall cause your enemies that rise up against you to be smitten before your face: they shall come out against you one way, and flee before you seven ways.
American King James Version×
)  “The LORD will cause your enemies who rise against you to be defeated before your face; they shall come out against you one way and flee before you seven ways.
(Deuteronomy 28:8 Deuteronomy 28:8The LORD shall command the blessing on you in your storehouses, and in all that you set your hand to; and he shall bless you in the land which the LORD your God gives you.
American King James Version×
)  “The LORD will command the blessing on you in your storehouses and in all to which you set your hand, and He will bless you in the land which the LORD your God is giving you.
(Deuteronomy 28:9 Deuteronomy 28:9The LORD shall establish you an holy people to himself, as he has sworn to you, if you shall keep the commandments of the LORD your God, and walk in his ways.
American King James Version×
)  “The LORD will establish you as a holy people to Himself, just as He has sworn to you, if you keep the commandments of the LORD your God and walk in His ways.
(Deuteronomy 28:10 Deuteronomy 28:10And all people of the earth shall see that you are called by the name of the LORD; and they shall be afraid of you.
American King James Version×
)  Then all peoples of the earth shall see that you are called by the name of the LORD, and they shall be afraid of you.
(Deuteronomy 28:11 Deuteronomy 28:11And the LORD shall make you plenteous in goods, in the fruit of your body, and in the fruit of your cattle, and in the fruit of your ground, in the land which the LORD swore to your fathers to give you.
American King James Version×
)  And the LORD will grant you plenty of goods, in the fruit of your body, in the increase of your livestock, and in the produce of your ground, in the land of which the LORD swore to your fathers to give you.
(Deuteronomy 28:12 Deuteronomy 28:12The LORD shall open to you his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain to your land in his season, and to bless all the work of your hand: and you shall lend to many nations, and you shall not borrow.
American King James Version×
)  The LORD will open to you His good treasure, the heavens, to give the rain to your land in its season, and to bless all the work of your hand. You shall lend to many nations, but you shall not borrow.
(Deuteronomy 28:13 Deuteronomy 28:13And the LORD shall make you the head, and not the tail; and you shall be above only, and you shall not be beneath; if that you listen to the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day, to observe and to do them:
American King James Version×
)  And the LORD will make you the head and not the tail; you shall be above only, and not be beneath, if you heed the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you today, and are careful to observe them.
(Deuteronomy 28:14 Deuteronomy 28:14And you shall not go aside from any of the words which I command you this day, to the right hand, or to the left, to go after other gods to serve them.
American King James Version×
)  So you shall not turn aside from any of the words which I command you this day, to the right or the left, to go after other gods to serve them.
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(Deuteronomy 28:15 Deuteronomy 28:15But it shall come to pass, if you will not listen to the voice of the LORD your God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command you this day; that all these curses shall come on you, and overtake you:
American King James Version×
)  “But it shall come to pass, if you do not obey the voice of the LORD your God, to observe carefully all His commandments and His statutes which I command you today, that all these curses will come upon you and overtake you:
(Deuteronomy 28:16 Deuteronomy 28:16Cursed shall you be in the city, and cursed shall you be in the field.
American King James Version×
)  “Cursed shall you be in the city, and cursed shall you be in the country.
(Deuteronomy 28:17 Deuteronomy 28:17Cursed shall be your basket and your store.
American King James Version×
)  “Cursed shall be your basket and your kneading bowl.
(Deuteronomy 28:18 Deuteronomy 28:18Cursed shall be the fruit of your body, and the fruit of your land, the increase of your cows, and the flocks of your sheep.
American King James Version×
)  “Cursed shall be the fruit of your body and the produce of your land, the increase of your cattle and the offspring of your flocks.

2 - Joseph
(Genesis 30:22 Genesis 30:22And God remembered Rachel, and God listened to her, and opened her womb.
American King James Version×
)  Then God remembered Rachel, and God listened to her and opened her womb.
(Genesis 30:23 Genesis 30:23And she conceived, and bore a son; and said, God has taken away my reproach:
American King James Version×
)  And she conceived and bore a son, and said, “God has taken away my reproach.”
(Genesis 30:24 Genesis 30:24And she called his name Joseph; and said, The LORD shall add to me another son.
American King James Version×
)  So she called his name Joseph, and said, “The LORD shall add to me another son.”

(Genesis 37:2 Genesis 37:2These are the generations of Jacob. Joseph, being seventeen years old, was feeding the flock with his brothers; and the lad was with the sons of Bilhah, and with the sons of Zilpah, his father’s wives: and Joseph brought to his father their evil report.
American King James Version×
)  This is the history of Jacob. Joseph, being seventeen years old, was feeding the flock with his brothers. And the lad was with the sons of Bilhah and the sons of Zilpah, his father’s wives; and Joseph brought a bad report of them to his father.
(Genesis 37:3 Genesis 37:3Now Israel loved Joseph more than all his children, because he was the son of his old age: and he made him a coat of many colors.
American King James Version×
)  Now Israel loved Joseph more than all his children, because he was the son of his old age. Also he made him a tunic of many colors.
(Genesis 37:4 Genesis 37:4And when his brothers saw that their father loved him more than all his brothers, they hated him, and could not speak peaceably to him.
American King James Version×
)  But when his brothers saw that their father loved him more than all his brothers, they hated him and could not speak peaceably to him.
(Genesis 37:5 Genesis 37:5And Joseph dreamed a dream, and he told it his brothers: and they hated him yet the more.
American King James Version×
)  Now Joseph had a dream, and he told it to his brothers; and they hated him even more.
(Genesis 37:6 Genesis 37:6And he said to them, Hear, I pray you, this dream which I have dreamed:
American King James Version×
)  So he said to them, “Please hear this dream which I have dreamed:
(Genesis 37:7 Genesis 37:7For, behold, we were binding sheaves in the field, and, see, my sheaf arose, and also stood upright; and, behold, your sheaves stood round about, and made obeisance to my sheaf.
American King James Version×
)  There we were, binding sheaves in the field. Then behold, my sheaf arose and also stood upright; and indeed your sheaves stood all around and bowed down to my sheaf.”
(Genesis 37:8 Genesis 37:8And his brothers said to him, Shall you indeed reign over us? or shall you indeed have dominion over us? And they hated him yet the more for his dreams, and for his words.
American King James Version×
)  And his brothers said to him, “Shall you indeed reign over us? Or shall you indeed have dominion over us?” So they hated him even more for his dreams and for his words.

PROV 22:15

(Genesis 37:16 Genesis 37:16And he said, I seek my brothers: tell me, I pray you, where they feed their flocks.
American King James Version×
)  So he said, “I am seeking my brothers. Please tell me where they are feeding their flocks.”
(Genesis 37:17 Genesis 37:17And the man said, They are departed hence; for I heard them say, Let us go to Dothan. And Joseph went after his brothers, and found them in Dothan.
American King James Version×
)  And the man said, “They have departed from here, for I heard them say, ‘Let us go to Dothan.’ ” So Joseph went after his brothers and found them in Dothan.
(Genesis 37:18 Genesis 37:18And when they saw him afar off, even before he came near to them, they conspired against him to slay him.
American King James Version×
)  Now when they saw him afar off, even before he came near them, they conspired against him to kill him.

A very disfunctional family in today’s terms…

(Genesis 37:18 Genesis 37:18And when they saw him afar off, even before he came near to them, they conspired against him to slay him.
American King James Version×
)  Now when they saw him afar off, even before he came near them, they conspired against him to kill him.
(Genesis 37:19 Genesis 37:19And they said one to another, Behold, this dreamer comes.
American King James Version×
)  Then they said to one another, “Look, this dreamer is coming!
(Genesis 37:20 Genesis 37:20Come now therefore, and let us slay him, and cast him into some pit, and we will say, Some evil beast has devoured him: and we shall see what will become of his dreams.
American King James Version×
)  Come therefore, let us now kill him and cast him into some pit; and we shall say, ‘Some wild beast has devoured him.’ We shall see what will become of his dreams!”
(Genesis 37:21 Genesis 37:21And Reuben heard it, and he delivered him out of their hands; and said, Let us not kill him.
American King James Version×
)  But Reuben heard it, and he delivered him out of their hands, and said, “Let us not kill him.”
(Genesis 37:22 Genesis 37:22And Reuben said to them, Shed no blood, but cast him into this pit that is in the wilderness, and lay no hand on him; that he might rid him out of their hands, to deliver him to his father again.
American King James Version×
)  And Reuben said to them, “Shed no blood, but cast him into this pit which is in the wilderness, and do not lay a hand on him”—that he might deliver him out of their hands, and bring him back to his father.
(Genesis 37:23 Genesis 37:23And it came to pass, when Joseph was come to his brothers, that they stripped Joseph out of his coat, his coat of many colors that was on him;
American King James Version×
)  So it came to pass, when Joseph had come to his brothers, that they stripped Joseph of his tunic, the tunic of many colors that was on him.
(Genesis 37:24 Genesis 37:24And they took him, and cast him into a pit: and the pit was empty, there was no water in it.
American King James Version×
)  Then they took him and cast him into a pit. And the pit was empty; there was no water in it.
(Genesis 37:25 Genesis 37:25And they sat down to eat bread: and they lifted up their eyes and looked, and, behold, a company of Ishmeelites came from Gilead with their camels bearing spices and balm and myrrh, going to carry it down to Egypt.
American King James Version×
)  And they sat down to eat a meal. Then they lifted their eyes and looked, and there was a company of Ishmaelites, coming from Gilead with their camels, bearing spices, balm, and myrrh, on their way to carry them down to Egypt.
(Genesis 37:26 Genesis 37:26And Judah said to his brothers, What profit is it if we slay our brother, and conceal his blood?
American King James Version×
)  So Judah said to his brothers, “What profit is there if we kill our brother and conceal his blood?
(Genesis 37:27 Genesis 37:27Come, and let us sell him to the Ishmeelites, and let not our hand be on him; for he is our brother and our flesh. And his brothers were content.
American King James Version×
)  Come and let us sell him to the Ishmaelites, and let not our hand be upon him, for he is our brother and our flesh.” And his brothers listened.
(Genesis 37:28 Genesis 37:28Then there passed by Midianites merchants; and they drew and lifted up Joseph out of the pit, and sold Joseph to the Ishmeelites for twenty pieces of silver: and they brought Joseph into Egypt.
American King James Version×
)  Then Midianite traders passed by; so the brothers pulled Joseph up and lifted him out of the pit, and sold him to the Ishmaelites for twenty shekels of silver. And they took Joseph to Egypt.

(Genesis 39:1 Genesis 39:1And Joseph was brought down to Egypt; and Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh, captain of the guard, an Egyptian, bought him of the hands of the Ishmeelites, which had brought him down thither.
American King James Version×
)  Now Joseph had been taken down to Egypt. And Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh, captain of the guard, an Egyptian, bought him from the Ishmaelites who had taken him down there.
(Genesis 39:2 Genesis 39:2And the LORD was with Joseph, and he was a prosperous man; and he was in the house of his master the Egyptian.
American King James Version×
)  The LORD was with Joseph, and he was a successful man; and he was in the house of his master the Egyptian.
(Genesis 39:3 Genesis 39:3And his master saw that the LORD was with him, and that the LORD made all that he did to prosper in his hand.
American King James Version×
)  And his master saw that the LORD was with him and that the LORD made all he did to prosper in his hand.
(Genesis 39:4 Genesis 39:4And Joseph found grace in his sight, and he served him: and he made him overseer over his house, and all that he had he put into his hand.
American King James Version×
)  So Joseph found favor in his sight, and served him. Then he made him overseer of his house, and all that he had he put under his authority.

Joseph did well in CAPTIVITY. He did what he could with what he had.

(Genesis 39:7 Genesis 39:7And it came to pass after these things, that his master’s wife cast her eyes on Joseph; and she said, Lie with me.
American King James Version×
)  And it came to pass after these things that his master’s wife cast longing eyes on Joseph, and she said, “Lie with me.”
(Genesis 39:8 Genesis 39:8But he refused, and said to his master’s wife, Behold, my master wotteth not what is with me in the house, and he has committed all that he has to my hand;
American King James Version×
)  But he refused and said to his master’s wife, “Look, my master does not know what is with me in the house, and he has committed all that he has to my hand.
(Genesis 39:9 Genesis 39:9There is none greater in this house than I; neither has he kept back any thing from me but you, because you are his wife: how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?
American King James Version×
)  There is no one greater in this house than I, nor has he kept back anything from me but you, because you are his wife. How then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?”

(Genesis 39:19 Genesis 39:19And it came to pass, when his master heard the words of his wife, which she spoke to him, saying, After this manner did your servant to me; that his wrath was kindled.
American King James Version×
)  So it was, when his master heard the words which his wife spoke to him, saying, “Your servant did to me after this manner,” that his anger was aroused.
(Genesis 39:20 Genesis 39:20And Joseph’s master took him, and put him into the prison, a place where the king’s prisoners were bound: and he was there in the prison.
American King James Version×
)  Then Joseph’s master took him and put him into the prison, a place where the king’s prisoners were confined. And he was there in the prison.

Once again… HE focuses on doing what he CAN where he is… with what he has…
(Genesis 39:23 Genesis 39:23The keeper of the prison looked not to any thing that was under his hand; because the LORD was with him, and that which he did, the LORD made it to prosper.
American King James Version×
)  The keeper of the prison did not look into anything that was under Joseph’s authority, because the LORD was with him; and whatever he did, the LORD made it prosper.

4 - What do these examples show us about sin and suffering…

(Genesis 45:3 Genesis 45:3And Joseph said to his brothers, I am Joseph; does my father yet live? And his brothers could not answer him; for they were troubled at his presence.
American King James Version×
)  Then Joseph said to his brothers, “I am Joseph; does my father still live?” But his brothers could not answer him, for they were dismayed in his presence.
(Genesis 45:4 Genesis 45:4And Joseph said to his brothers, Come near to me, I pray you. And they came near. And he said, I am Joseph your brother, whom you sold into Egypt.
American King James Version×
)  And Joseph said to his brothers, “Please come near to me.” So they came near. Then he said: “I am Joseph your brother, whom you sold into Egypt.
(Genesis 45:5 Genesis 45:5Now therefore be not grieved, nor angry with yourselves, that you sold me here: for God did send me before you to preserve life.
American King James Version×
)  But now, do not therefore be grieved or angry with yourselves because you sold me here; for God sent me before you to preserve life.
(Genesis 45:6 Genesis 45:6For these two years has the famine been in the land: and yet there are five years, in the which there shall neither be ripening nor harvest.
American King James Version×
)  For these two years the famine has been in the land, and there are still five years in which there will be neither plowing nor harvesting.
(Genesis 45:7 Genesis 45:7And God sent me before you to preserve you a posterity in the earth, and to save your lives by a great deliverance.
American King James Version×
)  And God sent me before you to preserve a posterity for you in the earth, and to save your lives by a great deliverance.
(Genesis 45:8 Genesis 45:8So now it was not you that sent me here, but God: and he has made me a father to Pharaoh, and lord of all his house, and a ruler throughout all the land of Egypt.
American King James Version×
)  So now it was not you who sent me here, but God; and He has made me a father to Pharaoh, and lord of all his house, and a ruler throughout all the land of Egypt.
(Genesis 45:9 Genesis 45:9Haste you, and go up to my father, and say to him, Thus said your son Joseph, God has made me lord of all Egypt: come down to me, tarry not:
American King James Version×
)  “Hurry and go up to my father, and say to him, ‘Thus says your son Joseph: “God has made me lord of all Egypt; come down to me, do not tarry.
(Genesis 45:10 Genesis 45:10And you shall dwell in the land of Goshen, and you shall be near to me, you, and your children, and your children’s children, and your flocks, and your herds, and all that you have:
American King James Version×
)  You shall dwell in the land of Goshen, and you shall be near to me, you and your children, your children’s children, your flocks and your herds, and all that you have.
(Genesis 45:11 Genesis 45:11And there will I nourish you; for yet there are five years of famine; lest you, and your household, and all that you have, come to poverty.
American King James Version×
)  There I will provide for you, lest you and your household, and all that you have, come to poverty; for there are still five years of famine.” ‘

(Joh 9:3)  Jesus answered, “Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but that the works of God should be revealed in him.
(Joh 9:4)  I must work the works of Him who sent Me while it is day; the night is coming when no one can work.
(Joh 9:5)  As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”
(Joh 9:6)  When He had said these things, He spat on the ground and made clay with the saliva; and He anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay.

(Hebrews 4:14 Hebrews 4:14Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
American King James Version×
)  Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession.
(Hebrews 4:15 Hebrews 4:15For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
American King James Version×
)  For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.
(Hebrews 4:16 Hebrews 4:16Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
American King James Version×
)  Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

(Hebrews 5:7 Hebrews 5:7Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears to him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
American King James Version×
)  who, in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and supplications, with vehement cries and tears to Him who was able to save Him from death, and was heard because of His godly fear,
(Hebrews 5:8 Hebrews 5:8Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
American King James Version×
)  though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered.

Conclusion:  Does one have to sin to suffer? Not necessarily.  But eventually sin will bring suffering.
What is the purpose of suffering? We or those near us are to LEARN from the suffering.
Romans 8:28 Romans 8:28And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
American King James Version×
  And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.
(Romans 8:29 Romans 8:29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
American King James Version×
)  For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.
(Romans 8:30 Romans 8:30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
American King James Version×
)  Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

(Romans 8:31 Romans 8:31What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
American King James Version×
)  What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?

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