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I agree with you Steve. My feeling is the sooner Christians stop demonizing the other over celebrating Christmas, the sooner we won't be perceived as a bunch of hypocrites to an unbelieving world. Nobody is worshipping a Christmas tree. It doesn't speak, doesn't move, and nobody worships it.
Paganism can be attached to just about everything in life. Paganism can be attached to planes, trains, and automobiles. Things we use daily are pagan. Attributing paganism to Christmas just shows how a divided mess Christianity has become. Everybody thinks that that they should push their convictions on others. If in a person's heart they believe they should NOT celebrate Christmas then they shouldn't celebrate it. I'm non-trinitarian and this issue is one main reason why I would never become a UCG member. It drives people away.
I tend to believe that morality has little to do with it. It has more to do with the internet and television exposing Christianity's judgmentalism and hypocrisy, as well as the horrific things that occurred in Catholicism. Your programs are excellent though I may disagree at time.
It's the Calvinist, the Trinitarians who condemn others, the SDA National Sunday Law, and people like John MacArthur, Benny Hinn, Mike Murdock , Joyce Meyer, the Cerulo's, Ken Copeland, Peter Popoff, Marcus and Joni Lamb, and like so many others who are in it for the money that have destroyed Christianity. I could go on but I think you see my point. God bless your ministry.
It's your assessment that I don't believe in the Word of the Bible. I'm not one who lets others interpret it for me. I do my own homework and I'm not to subject to any one church or any one set of beliefs. I determine my beliefs. It's clear to me that if you feel it's wrong to celebrate Christmas or Easter, then don't do it.
I was going to attend a UCG but was told I wouldn't fit in. The pastor thought I was going there to push my eschatological beliefs which wasn't true. I'm non-trinitarian and that's why I wanted to go as I was soon to get into a debate on the trinity with someone and wanted to get some insight on it. God has already called me. I have in sorts a ministry of my own. Though I disagree with the UCG in several areas, I appreciate the UCG very much and would never discourage anyone from going there. I would discourage people going to a trinitarian, fundamentalist church. This is a free forum and there's a great bunch of people here. They know that I'm a horse of a different color. God bless all of you. I bet I cause them to think and wonder about some things I say about the last days, though I doubt I'll change any of their minds.
It's not a doctrine and it's not a commandment. Christmas is one of the most blessed times of the year for me and millions of others. I'll be playing two beautiful Christmas songs at our SUNDAY service, and one at a concert Sunday afternoon where I sing one, "Come, Jesus, Holy Son of God" by Handel....and two more times at two Monday services. It's the most beautiful season of the year. We celebrate the birth of our Lord. If you don't that's OK. I respect your decision. I celebrate Christmas and you need to respect my decision to do so.
Kathy you said,
"Jim, It is clear your intention is to use our forum to advance your incorrect interpretation of one scripture."
That's not true. I'm not here to advance the 'incorrect interpretation' of anything. I pose quite a challenge to people, especially with contentious issues like Trinity, Pre-trib, and ROME which is NOT found in one verse of end-time prophecy. I'm showing you and others the other side of the issue. You say I'm misinterpreting but look,
You quote Mathew 15:9
“But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men” (Matthew 15:9).
Then you say,
"You can worship Jesus and do it in vain? Jesus said you could!"
You're taking a verse that comes from Isaiah that Jesus directed to the Pharisees because they give the appearance of drawing near to God with lip service but their heart is far from Him, to say we shouldn't celebrate Christmas!
I'm playing "Mary did you Know and Oh Holy Night" at two Christmas services and one Christmas concert. In doing so I will NOT be worshipping heathen gods but will be worshipping God the Father for giving us His son Jesus Christ our Savior and will bring tears to peoples eyes as I play it.
We have to agree to disagree. The law was an observance between God and Israel. An Israelite could not leave their home, build a fire, or cause anyone to work. If you did any of those things you were to be put to death. You are mistaking if you think that applies to NT Christians. There's no obligation for New Testament believers to observe a Saturday or Sunday Sabbath. “One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord” Paul said, "For if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain." He also said, "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes." Paul again, "Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. KJV Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: People who go to church on Sunday or celebrate Christmas are doing the right thing. "Reverend" is a nick I picked up while working in the NH state prison.
Jay, It amazes me that nearly all Christians attribute apostasy to themselves when there's not one reason to believe so. Apostasy is an end-time rebellious EVENT that takes place just before the man of sin appears because it's what brings him on. Notice how other religions define apostasy and how they are similar. It's only the Christian definition that's different. This is the web definition of apostasy.
Apostasy - (noun) 1The act of abandoning a party or cause.
2. The state of having rejected your religious beliefs, political party, cause or sports team in favor of opposing beliefs, causes or teams.
3 A defection, renunciation, disaffiliation, abandonment or revolt from a previous association.
4 (Islamic definition) Rejection in word or deed of one's former religion.
5 (Christian definition) To fall away from the truth.
The only one that's incorrect is the Christian one! Look at my reply above about the words "BUT WE" in verse 13. That proves the apostasy is all about the followers of the man of sin. Why would go send strong delusion upon Christians? Apostasy is a rebellion and abandonment of a previous affiliation. It's not heresy or a lack of devotion.
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