Bible Prophecy and You - Part 9

Friday, June 15, 2012 (All day)

Instead of predictions let's look at three benefits from studying Bible prophecy.

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[Darris McNeely] What is the main benefit to you of Bible prophecy? We've been going through a number of series here on BT Dailies about prophecy , Bible prophecy and you. And on our website we've had quite a bit about predictions and false predictions. We've talked about those in some of our past dailies of making false predictions regarding Bible prophecy. But let's get back once again to really what is the benefit there to Bible prophecy for you? And it's that benefit really that needs to be I think most clearly understood because it's so easy to get into the predictions and into personalities, individuals, and how they feel about prophecy. But in the end it's really some very basic material that really at the end of the day will benefit you in terms of your life, your family, your future relationship with God.

[Steve Myers] It's important to remember where prophecy comes from, I think, that oftentimes people will say, "Well, what is the Bible all about and where does it come from?" We've got to remember it comes from God. It's not just prophets in the past just making predictions about things or making statements—that this is the word of God. 2 Timothy plainly tells us that in 3:16 that all scripture is given by inspiration by God (2 Timothy 3:16). God inspired those men to speak. And He motivated them. He moved them and sometimes gave them the specific prophecies to talk about. And so it's not men's words. It's not just some guy in ages past wrote these things down. God inspired their words. He inspired those prophecies so that's a very important place to start with.

[Darris McNeely] When you really look into what some—who some of the prophets were like Ezekiel, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Amos—they were everyday people. Amos for instance was a sheepherder. He went out every day before sunup, worked hard, worked for his living. God called him out of some of the most basic aspects of life and gave him in his mouth and to his words, God's words and told him to go to the people and tell them to turn around from the daily activities that were taking them off into a way of destruction and suffering and misery and turn and repent and begin to live according to God's laws and God's principles. So I think the number one key, prophets were everyday people in many cases who understood life and the problems of life, but also understood the solutions that God gave to them and how to help people turn around and really live.

[Steve Myers] Ezekiel was an example of that. In fact, there's an interesting passage that's in Ezekiel 3:18 where Ezekiel says exactly what prophecy was all about, that the people—it was, the purpose of it was to warn the wicked from his wicked ways and to save his life. And so it was to turn them around so that they would repent, so that they would change. And in a sense, I think what it does is it gives us one of those initial benefits of prophecy.

[Darris McNeely] Yeah, I think one of the first ones is that prophecy is really intended to motivate people, to motivate people to change. Nobody likes to change. And in fact, we try to change. We make resolutions all the time to lose weight, to stop certain behaviors, but we really at times need to a certain motivation. And God does with prophecy givesus that by showing us the future and actually showing us a future benefit to actually changing as Ezekiel said to actually live.

[Steve Myers] Yeah and that ties in so much with what it actually says there in Ezekiel that part of this motivation is a warning, that there are warnings of things to come. And so that certainly ties in with the things that we need to do something about because there are serious things that are on the horizon. And so it should move us because of the things that God warns about the future.

[Darris McNeely] In a future series in these BT Dailies , we are going to talk more about warnings and the idea of being a watchman and God's servants being watchmen. But coming back to this, there's really one additional point that we should understand and that is the promise. Prophecy also holds out promise of reward for turning from sin, from turning from wrong, destructive behavior, being warned of that, being motivated to change your behavior. But there is a promise of reward now and in the future for repentance, for heeding a prophecy, or a prediction of some future event or future consequence of individual behavior. The promise is there as well. And that's really one of the most basic aspects of human nature that gets us to change our behavior if there's a hope, and there's something there in it for us in the future. And God's promises on this point are very, very sure.

[Steve Myers] There's much more to talk about. We hope to see you next time here on BT Daily .


D. Miller

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Yes, I agree that prophecy is from God. So when you have a man prophesying and it doesn't come to pass....then that man is a false prophet. And we need to recognize them as such and keep track of the seed they produce. thanks




KARS

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Thank you guys for clearing something up for me. I knew I should be watching world events but keep getting told not too.
Keep up the good news of the coming Kingdom of God. As the apostles said of old, to pray for the ministry for God our Father's divine guidance. God Bless.
Sincerely,
KARS




Hermeneutica

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So the theme of God's prophecy to mankind and "mankind change your wicked ways". Are you sure about that? Historically did it work or was Israel disciplined with dispersion? It doesn't seem to me that they were successful in 'changing themselves' at all.

And yes, prophecy came from God, but was he speaking to you? Who was He really speaking to? Who was he motivating with the Abrahamic, Davidic and Jeremiah's New Covenant to Israel? Apparently the entire nation of Israel wasn't listening, they went into captivity.

If you want to meaningfully focus on prophecy use these historical narratives to illustrate the life of Christ and demonstrate how in multiple times the gospels record 'that the Scriptures might be fulfilled' in the actions the Lord took.

If you really want something to think about theologically, think about this, how much different could have the history of Israel have been had the Exodus generation responded to Moses in saying 'all these things we have broken' and confessed their sins. Instead they lied to God with a promise they couldn't possibly keep in saying 'all these things we shall do'. They lied twice, and they paid for it with their very lives, literring the desert with their bones, as the writer of Hebrews puts it.




nathanalbright

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By your name, Hermeneutica, I assume that you presume yourself a great biblical scholar skilled in the rules of biblical interpretation. Let me ask you a question: do you believe that God would hold Israel (or us) responsible to a standard of righteousness that we would not be capable of reaching with His help and His Spirit within us? Certainly all have sinned (Romans 3:23) and the wages of our sin is death (Romans 6:23), but we receive salvation and eternal life through repentance from our dead works of sin and our acceptance of God's authority within our lives and of the promise of His help to work righteousness within us in our day to day lives.

Israel's unworthy bones were not scattered in the wilderness because they struggled with a few sins. Rather, they were judged (as was the Judah of Ezekiel's time and the Israel of Amos' time) because they had rebelled against God, had rejected His ways, refused His help, and rejected the warnings of His prophets. God does not desire that we stay where we are in the misery caused by disobedience and sin, broken lives and broken relationships. To live a happy life we must live a godly and obedient one, and He promises to help us, not only by giving us His biblical standard that tells us what we are to do, but by providing us with His Church to nurture and encourage us (something we could all stand to do a bit better at, perhaps), and also by giving us His Spirit to live within us and provide a still small voice guiding us in righteousness.

Let us not think that the prophetic warnings were only for their original audience (though we cannot forget the context of those warnings). After all, Paul himself said in 1 Corinthians 10:11 that what was written about ancient Israel was written for our benefit that we might profit from their example and live righteously, unlike them. Likewise, the author of Hebrews states that those who believe God and live in obedience will enter God's rest if they are faithful, avoiding the example of the disobedience of the Israelites (Hebrews 4:1-13). Again, if some must enter the rest of God, and if doing so requires having the obedience of Christ within us through the indwelling of His spirit, let us cease from our evil works and repent of our wicked ways, knowing that while righteousness to God is impossible for us alone, with God's help, nothing is impossible.




Hermeneutica

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To pursue this conversation, please copy-paste my text and answer paragraphs in sequence. I absolutely refuse to go around with you in circles as you confuse fellowship with salvation. Please answer my questions in detail. If you are going to ignore my response and crack-wise, you waste our time.




Ivan Veller

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Hi Hermeneutica,

“Did God's prophets of old preach repentance? ‘And the LORD has sent to you all His servants the prophets…but you have not listened…They said, ‘Repent now everyone of his evil way and his evil doings…’’ (Jeremiah 25:4-5)…The Scriptures show God is consistent. From the beginning He has sent His servants with the same message: ‘Repent, and turn from all your transgressions, so that iniquity will not be your ruin. Cast away from you all the transgressions which you have committed, and get yourselves a new heart and a new spirit’ (Ezekiel 18:30-31).” http://www.ucg.org/bible-study-lesson/bible-study-course-lesson-8-what-christian-conversion/importance-repentance/

“[B]ecause of disobedience” (Hebrews 4:6) – rejection of God’s “ways” (Heb. 3:10) – the people did not enter—not merely “because of unbelief” (3:19 NKJV), but because of “an evil heart of unbelief [“leading…to” (ESV)] departing from the living God” (3:12b): “The primary weakness of the Sinai Covenant was not in its laws but in the people's lack of a willing heart to obey them.” http://www.ucg.org/booklet/new-covenant-does-it-abolish-gods-law/new-covenant-transforming-heart/what-was-main-weakness/

Conversely, “under the New Covenant, a new mind and heart…makes true obedience possible ([Jer. 31:31-34; Heb. 8:7-13; Gal. 2:20]). Faith thus enables obedience!” http://www.ucg.org/booklet/you-can-have-living-faith/faith-puts-law-firmer-footing/

“God's laws aren't annulled under the New Covenant; they are written into our hearts and minds so we might obey Him better. A new covenant wasn't needed because the [OC] laws…were inadequate or faulty. Rather…Hebrews 8:8…‘God found fault with the people…’ (NIV).The fault was in the nature of the people themselves (verses 7-9)—the fact that human beings are naturally hostile to God's laws rather than spiritually minded and willing to obey (see Romans 8:5-8). What people need to have changed is their heart, not the laws that define sin—sin being the violation of God's law (1 John 3:4). Such change in the heart is possible only when people receive God's Spirit. That's why the focus of the [NC] is on providing the way and the means for sins to be forgiven so people may receive the Holy Spirit. That is why the sacrifice of Christ is such a central focus.” http://www.ucg.org/booklet/united-church-god/following-footsteps-apostles/gods-law-and-new-covenant/




Ivan Veller

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Hello again,

Would a just God have unjustly commanded adherence to an impossible way of life?

After all, most lacked direct access to the Spirit (Num. 11:29) – and it is “God's Spirit in us…[that] makes it possible for us…to live God's way of life (Romans 7:22-25)”—on the spiritual level. http://www.ucg.org/bible-faq/salvation-unconditional

Spiritually, under the New Covenant, “Jesus expanded our understanding of God's law by showing that we must obey the spirit of the law as well as the letter”. http://www.ucg.org/bible-faq/did-jesus-christ-fulfill-everyones-obligation-law

Physically, under the Old Covenant, God expected Israel to keep the law’s minimum baseline physical requirements: “[O]bey the voice of the LORD your God…keep his commandments and his statutes that are written in this Book of the Law…turn to the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. For this commandment that I command you today is not too hard for you…you can do it” (Deut. 30:10-11,14b ESV 2011).

God Himself articulated: “‘‘Obey my voice, and…walk in all’’” – “all” (627-586 B.C.) – “‘‘the way that I command you…’… [To this end, throughout history,] I have persistently sent all my servants the prophets to them, day after day…’” (Jeremiah 7:23-25 ESV).

Ezekiel 18: “‘If a man is righteous” – (593-588 B.C.—“If a man is righteous”) – “and does what is just and right—if he…walks in my statutes, and keeps my rules by acting faithfully—he is righteous…

‘[One who] obeys my rules…has done what is just and right…

‘The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and…if a wicked person turns away from all his sins…and keeps all my statutes and does what is just and right…he shall live…

‘Yet…Israel says, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’…are my ways not just? Is it not your ways that are not just? Therefore I will judge you…every one according to his ways [as will all humanity—“‘For the Son of Man…will repay each person according to what he has done’” (Mat.16:27). See also Psa. 62:12, Prov. 24:12, Ecc. 12:14, Jer. 17:10 & 32:19, Rom. 2:6; 2 Cor. 5:10, Rev. 12:13.]…

‘Repent and turn from all your transgressions, lest iniquity be your ruin. Cast away from you all the transgressions that you have committed, and” – 593-588 B.C. – “get” (NKJV) (present tense; compare with Ezek. 11:19-20; 36:26) “yourselves a new heart and a new spirit!’” (Ezek. 18:5-31a, ESV 2011).




KARS

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Way to go Mr. Bright.

Keep in mind also Hermenutica that Satan the Adversary has been influencing mankind since the garden of Eden. Long before the children of Israel that is way we have the account of the flood during Noah's time to this day.

Without God our Father's help it is very difficult to fight the lusts of the flesh that the children of Israel had in Egypt.

However, there were still faithful men other wise Joshua and Caleb would not have crossed over the Jordon with the new generations of Israel.



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