The Millennium: Christ's Rule on Earth

We live in a deeply troubled age. Yet a magnificent 1,000 year period of peace and prosperity is coming.


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On the island of Patmos in the Aegean Sea, the apostle John received an astonishing revelation from Jesus Christ. In John's account, he records a prophecy in which Jesus Christ would reign on this earth for a thousand years. During this time all peoples will finally know true peace and harmony.

Is this prophecy just an old man's meaningless dream that can never come true? Or is it the sure Word of God? The one hope in today's world for a time when swords will be beaten into plowshares and wild animals will dwell safely with children?

Was John's vision of a coming time of world peace true? You can know--and the answer will give you hope.

On today's program we will reveal the truth of "The Millennium: Christ's Rule on Earth."

Tired of bad news? There has been a lot of it lately. Economic recession. Stock market ups and downs. High unemployment. Political leadership that can't govern wisely.

The Middle East aflame with rioting, overthrow of governments and the threat of nuclear weapons in the hands of religious extremists.

Our world is going through a period of volatility that is creating fear and uncertainty of the future. We wonder what lies ahead for ourselves, our children and our grandchildren.

People must have hope in the future: that problems can be solved and that life will get better. Hope for a better future is vital to living a purpose-centered life today. God knows this as our Creator and has provided this hope in His revealed Word--the Bible.

There is an idea, first put into writing a few thousand years ago, but an idea that is not really born of human imagination. This idea promises a world of peace and prosperity for all. It is the biblical teaching of the 1,000-year reign of Jesus Christ on earth. It's called the Millennium, which is a Latin word, which merely means 1,000. Now when people start to speak of a millennial setting, really they are speaking to what the Bible describes as a time of peace and harmony on the earth.

This truth, which connects with some of the Bible's earliest statements and is abundantly expressed by the Hebrew prophets, continues to hold the imagination of many over the centuries, in spite of many attempts to undermine and to explain it away.

God's promise of a millennial Kingdom stands as a symbol of hope for mankind. A study of the sayings of Scripture and a review of efforts to overturn this teaching really can help us to understand our world and the promised peace of the Kingdom of God.

In the book of Revelation, the apostle John records that after the second coming of Jesus Christ the saints will reign with Him for 1,000 years. Here's what it says:

"And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years ...Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years" (Revelation:20:4, 6).

There you have it. This verse in Revelation provides really the capstone to a teaching that begins in the Hebrew Scriptures of the Old Testament. It's a summary of other biblical descriptions and promises about the millennial age--a peaceable Kingdom.

God, through His servants, foretold this period time and time again. It was the hope of Israel's prophets throughout much of that nation's history, especially during the nation's downfall and captivity. This same hope was shared by the apostles as they questioned Christ about the restoration of Israel's ancient kingdom (Acts:1:6).

The prophet Isaiah offered a clear picture of this future when he wrote of a time when Israel would be reunited under one Head and the knowledge of God would cover the earth. This was written during the period of Israel's decline, but it pictures the future Millennium. Here's what it says:

"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, The leopard shall lie down with the young goat, The calf and the young lion and the fatling together; And a little child shall lead them. The cow and the bear shall graze; Their young ones shall lie down together; And the lion shall eat straw like the ox. The nursing child shall play by the cobra's hole, And the weaned child shall put his hand in the viper's den. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain, For the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD As the waters cover the sea." (Isaiah:11:1-10).

Now Isaiah's words have crystallized the idea of the Millennium. What is described here is a complete change in all parts of this world. In fact, this scene is one that you will see depicted in a lot of paintings describing what is called the Peaceable Kingdom . No part of the world we know today will be left unchanged. Wisdom and knowledge will grow by quantum leaps under the rule of God. The nature of man will be changed to build a just world based upon the Word of God and His laws. The deception that has gripped the world will be turned back as the true knowledge of God's plan is spread throughout the human race. This will happen only through the appearance of Jesus Christ.

Now in Isaiah 2, there is another long section of a prophecy that foretells a time of world peace when war will not be learned nor waged. It's worth reading in its entirety. It is encouraging and it gives hope. And it also gives a millennial view. Here's what it says:

"It shall come to pass in the latter days That the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established on the top of the mountains, And shall be exalted above the hills; And all nations shall flow to it. Many people shall come and say, 'Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, To the house of the God of Jacob; He will teach us His ways, And we shall walk in His paths.' For out of Zion shall go forth the law, And the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. He shall judge between the nations, And rebuke many people; They shall beat their swords into plowshares, And their spears into pruning hooks; Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, Neither shall they learn war anymore."

Ancient Israel never experienced this type of society nor has any other nation in the history of the world--think about that. This scene, that we just read in Isaiah, provided really the inspiration for the statue that is in front of the United Nations building in New York City. Ironically, that statue was a gift from the then Soviet Union was presented in 1959. The bronze statue represents the figure of a man holding a hammer in one hand and, in the other, a sword which he is making into a plowshare. It symbolizes man's desire to put an end to war and convert the means of destruction into creative tools for the benefit of all mankind.

This scene remains unfulfilled. No nation in history has brought it to pass.

Later the prophet Daniel was given the promise of an enduring Kingdom that would replace the failed efforts of human rule. Notice what he wrote:

"In the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever."

In another vision Daniel saw the promise of a literal earth-dwelling kingdom. It goes like this:

"I was watching in the night visions, And behold, One like the Son of Man, Coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, And they brought Him near before Him. Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, Which shall not pass away, And His kingdom the one Which shall not be destroyed...Then the kingdom and dominion, And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven, Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High. His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, And all dominions shall serve and obey Him."

In this prophecy, given in the midst of the Babylonian captivity, God showed His people that there would be a future Kingdom on the earth under Jesus Christ. To the Jews of Daniel's time, there was no doubt this promise was a literal earthly kingdom. They expected the Messiah to restore the sovereign kingdom to Israel. But just as a fuller understanding of the words of Daniel's prophecies was for a future time, so would the coming of this everlasting Kingdom have to wait.

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Centuries after Daniel's day, the angel Gabriel revealed to Mary that her Son Jesus would be the head of this Kingdom. It says that:

"He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end."

During His ministry, Jesus Christ spoke clearly of His destiny to fulfill these scriptures. He showed that His followers would be among those who would reign in this Kingdom: At one point He said to His disciples, "Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel" (Matthew:19:28).

The expectation of 2,000 years ago in the Holy Land was that a Messiah would overthrow the Roman rule and restore an Israelite monarchy. Many who followed Jesus Christ, including His closest disciples, believed that He was the One who would restore the Kingdom to Israel.

As Christ approached Jerusalem in the days prior to His death, He sensed that the crowds thought that He would inaugurate the reign of the Messiah at that time. It says there in Luke 19 that, "as they heard these things, He spoke another parable, because He was near Jerusalem and because they thought the kingdom of God would appear immediately."

So what Christ did, He spoke a parable about a nobleman who went into a far country and left his co-workers with a job to do until he returned. Christ was that nobleman. When He returns the second time in glory He will establish His 1,000-year reign.

The early New Testament Church preached the gospel of the Kingdom of God extensively in the following decades. This idea of the Kingdom of God was their central focus of teaching and it gave hope for which the followers of Jesus Christ were willing to even give their lives in devoted service.

But near the end of the first century, this truth, of God's Kingdom on the earth, came under severe attack. The integrity of Christ's teachings was subverted by heresy. The Roman government killed many Christians, including Christian leaders. The apostle John was exiled on the prison island of Patmos and great confusion about the Kingdom of God erupted.

At the height of this crisis, John received Christ's revelation that affirmed the truths of the triumphal establishment of the Kingdom of God. The knowledge of the Millennium, this 1,000-year reign, gave the Church during those years great encouragement, as it always has done for those who look to God for their hope and read this truth in the Scriptures.

During that tumultuous epoch, the teaching of the literal Kingdom of God on this earth became mixed with forms of heresy, and in some circles was discredited. In the second, third and fourth centuries the concept of a literal, earthly reign of Christ came under the most severe attack.

There were misguided attempts by some to predict the time of the return of Christ that was contrary to Christ's own teaching.

Theologians who were influenced by Greek thought began teaching the Kingdom was not literal, nor future, but only a vague spiritual kingdom subject to wild interpretations. They said that the scriptural references were to be understood only as symbolism and allegory, and really were not to be taken literally at face value.

In the midst of these heresies, many still held to faith in a coming Kingdom as it had been received from the apostles. The histories show us that a scattered remnant of faithful people holding to the "faith once delivered" and teaching of Christ's coming reign on the earth, continued to hold that idea and teach it.

By the fifth century, the doctrine, the doctrine of the Millennium, was largely however, overwhelmed by the views of Augustine, the most influential theologian of the early church. Augustine's teaching was that the church was the Kingdom of God on earth, and that teaching replaced the biblical teaching that God would intervene in history and establish a Kingdom that would never end.

In Augustine's unbiblical view, the Kingdom of God was a spiritual matter in the hearts of men, manifested in the role of the church on the earth.

This idea coincided with much of what the Roman Emperor Constantine's official adoption of Christianity accomplished. When he did that, he took Christianity as the official religion of the empire. From this point there was really no need for a literal belief in Christ's reign on earth. The church had become politically and spiritually wedded to the power of the empire.

What historian Edward Gibbon called "the ancient and popular doctrine" now became a teaching with little use or support. Edward Gibbon writes: "But when the edifice of the church was almost completed, the temporary support was laid aside. The doctrine of Christ's reign upon earth was at first treated as a profound allegory, was considered...as a doubtful and useless opinion, and was...rejected as the absurd invention of heresy and fanaticism" ( Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Great Books edition, 1952, p. 188).

Now, let's pause, and let me ask you something. What was the result of this loss? This loss of this knowledge? What did this really mean to lose to the religious world the truth of the literal reign of Jesus Christ on this earth? It meant everything!

It meant for the dominant religion that the church was the Kingdom of God, acting and working with the authority of Christ. It meant that any political power that it joined with, would wield immense influence over the hearts and minds of men. It meant a spiritual and political tyranny that was not of God.

The western world of Europe was plunged into a period that history calls the Dark Ages. It was as if the lights went out on the learning and the advancement of culture on all fronts. Historian William Manchester describes the period as a "portrait...of incessant warfare, corruption, lawlessness, obsession with strange myths, and an almost impenetrable mindlessness" ( A World Lit Only by Fire, 1992, p. 3).

To be blunt, whenever humans have tried to create the biblical Millennium on the earth in their way it has failed. Political, social and religious history proves this point to be painfully true.

The truth of God's Kingdom to come on this earth is either true or not. Your Bible says it is true. God says He will replace the kingdoms of this world with the Kingdom of His Christ. You need to believe this truth for it is the only hope for human survival!

And if this is true, then both the Bible and history prove the only way this Kingdom of peace will come is at the direct hand of God, as He intervenes in history and saves all mankind from extinction. No project of man will bring about utopian society. None!

We are at a turning point today in modern history. Major changes will soon shape this present world into something far different than we presently see. Many will think there will be peace--that human government finally got it right. They will put their trust in leaders who will make promises of peace and security. But they will be wrong--and the world will take one more turn to a crisis at the close of the age.

It is vital that you understand Christ's message of the coming Kingdom of God today.

Now coming up, we have a discussion planned on why it's impossible for human beings to construct a perfect society.

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I'm joined now with our Beyond Today panel, Steve Myers and Gary Petty, fellow hosts here on the program. Gary and Steve, let's help our audience understand what this world will be like with Christ reigning on the earth and why it's so difficult for people today to wrap their mind around the idea of Jesus Christ's literal reign on this earth.

Gary:

You know, Darris, we think we're so sophisticated. But once you prove that there is a Creator God, once you prove that that Bible is His inspired Book, you find a plan. God created human beings in His image. We've messed it up. He sent Jesus back, or Jesus here one time, to save us. He comes back a second time to set up God's Kingdom on this earth and to truly save humanity. So, even though it's hard for us to wrap our mind around it, once we believe there's a God, once we go to that Scripture, it's there. And it becomes real.

Darris:

And you either believe that or you don't.

Gary:

That's right.

Steve:

Yeah. I think that's the hard part, is that normally we don't think of God. Normal human thinking--it doesn't relate to God. And so we need God to open our minds. We need to submit to His way of thinking and then we can begin to get our mind around the concept of what His plan is all about.

Gary:

We actually live for that. We look forward to that return and we live for it.

Darris:

It provides hope.

Steve:

Yes.

Darris:

Yeah. Why is it impossible for human beings to construct a perfect society? There have been every known effort to create a perfect town, a perfect community, or a perfect nation; even a perfect church. And all attempts fail. Why is that so difficult? Why? Why can't it be done?

Gary:

We live under an illusion that if we create the perfect system, we can fix everything; if we can just put the right people in the room. The truth is, human nature is corrupt. Because of that, human nature will fail. And when Jesus Christ returns, He just doesn't bring a new system, He actually changes our nature. He begins to teach us the real ways of God and as that nature changes, we will adapt to what He's teaching, but the problem isn't the system. Every system eventually fails because of human beings.

Steve:

We don't know the right way to live. Course we're pretty presumptuous and man thinks he has the right way, that he can decide what to do. But if we just look at history, we haven't figured this thing out yet. And yet we still keep fooling ourselves. Well then the next president will work it out, the next government can fix things or change things and it's going to get better. And we have that illusion that that might be possible, but we need to submit to God. We need to have that relationship. We need to look to His Word to see what He says about that. No wonder we can't do it ourselves. The Bible says very clearly, it's not in us to walk the way that we need to walk. So we need to look to God in order to rule our steps.

Darris:

I don't think we want to give people the impression of just advocating a personal responsibility in one sense...

Gary:

No.

Darris:

But, the reality of what the Bible says in terms of this society is ultimately on Christ's shoulders. It says the government will be on His shoulders and without that condition being established, it's not going to happen.

Steve:

Yeah, I think that's a good point because the difference is, my responsibility is submitting to His rule and His way and what He says should be done rather than doing it my own way.

Darris:

This is what creates the change of heart that the Bible talks about that then really begins the germ and the seed that will allow those conditions to develop.

Gary:

Exactly. That's why if we submit to His way now, we actually can live by the standards of that Kingdom in our lives now. But in order to do that, we can't keep making, you know we keep making the same mistakes over and over again and expect a different outcome. It just isn't going to work. We're going to have to turn to God. It's the only way it'll change.

Darris:

Probably people are asking at this point in our audience, when is this going to happen? We don't want to, we already know on this program we don't get into predictions on those things and that's not our thrust but, when can, when will this Kingdom come?

Gary:

If you look at Christ's Olivet Prophecy in Matthew 24, He gives a whole list of things that will happen and then He says when humanity's about to destroy itself, He'll come back. He's going to let this go to the point where we have tried everything humanly conceivable and when we're to the point of ultimate filature, that's when He's going to come...

Steve:

Yeah and I think we're edging closer and closer to that all the time, there's no doubt about that. But at the same time, if you looked at Mark:1:14, it talks about when Christ began His ministry, He said the Kingdom of God is at hand and He told mankind to repent! So there is this sense that you can live according to the Kingdom now! That you can develop a relationship with God. You can come under His laws. You can come under His guidance and be a part of that Kingdom right now, so you don't have to wait. Ultimately that physical real Kingdom is coming here, but you can live under that rune, rule and reign of Christ right now.

Darris:

It comes down to, beginning right now, to look to God, not to man.

Steve:

Right, right...absolutely.

Darris:

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The Bible reveals that a world of peace will result from the return of Jesus Christ. Nations will seek the way of God. Fear will be banished from among the peoples of the earth as godly righteousness guides international relations.

Endless conflicts will disappear, and the art of war will be lost. Families will grow stronger with each generation. When God's Kingdom arrives, there will be nothing to deny its long-held promise and hope of bringing peace on earth.

As we have seen, the teaching of the Millennium begins early in Scripture and continues through the book of Revelation. Christ's last words on the subject are perhaps the clearest and plainest in the Bible. Jesus Christ, the true author of the book of Revelation, says there will be a period of 1,000 years during which the resurrected saints will reign with Him in a just and benevolent Kingdom on this earth.

Will you take Christ at His Word? Will you believe what He said?

The millennial rule of Jesus Christ, an idea older than time, will endure and ultimately transform the world. May we all continue to pray, "Your Kingdom come."

For Beyond Today , I'm Darris McNeely.


David L. Nunn

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Thanks for another great program. It was especially interesting to me to hear how the Bible's clear teaching about a literal 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ was suppressed by politicians and clergymen working together for their own gain. I hope professing Christianity will come to see that what is preached today in most churches is a gospel of men ABOUT the person of Jesus Christ, and not the true gospel OF Jesus Christ about the coming Kingdom of God. There is a big difference.

Keep up the good work.




Derek Strauss

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Shocking to see how Satan used strong deception to hide the truth of Jesus' future rule on earth - "The doctrine of Christ's reign upon earth was at first treated as a profound allegory, was considered...as a doubtful and useless opinion, and was...rejected as the absurd invention of heresy and fanaticism" (Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Great Books edition, 1952, p. 188).




Depenney

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Beautiful program. So wonderful to hear the True Gospel of the Kingdom of God preached as Jesus commanded. But I am curious about what Jesus said about the Kingdom. He said that flesh could not inherit the kingdom , but we know that mankind will be living and working on this earth during the millenium. Only spirit can inherit the kingdom. Can you shed any light on this for me? Thank you for the inspiring work you are all doing. We have a lot to be grateful for.




KARS

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Greeting Mr. Nellis!

There is an event I have been watching for since my early adulthood. This group of people have been teaching this event since God our Father used Mr. Armstrong brought to bring it to light. I know for a fact that there is something wonderful going to happen after the Millenium. I hold on to that promise with all my might. God our Father's promises are always true.
Mr. Nellis, have you seen the Mount of Olives cleave in two?




dick nellis

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For Depenney

Those resurrected in the beginning of the millennium will be spirits. The Messiah will descend with sound of a trumpet, although this verse does not say it is the Feast of Trumpets that is the general belief. The Messiah does not touch the ground as we will meet Him in the air. Nor will we serve Him from the earth for the earth shall be burnt up (2Pe 3:7, 10, 12). There will be a new earth (Re 21:1) and everything currently on the new earth will be new. (Mal 4:1, 2Pe 3:10). Those that are in this resurrection, are resurrected to be spirits as the angels are, and will be in the New Jerusalem.(Lu 20:34-36, Heb 1:14) They will be kings and priest and reign with Jesus.

Those resurrected at the end of the millennium will have physical bodies. (Eze 37:1-28) They were the dry bones from Ezekiel 37. They lay on the surface of the valley and may be those killed 1,000 years before at the time of the Rapture. These will be known by God as “My People” (Eze 37:27) in the post-millennium kingdom.

There will be both Spiritual and Physical inhabitants in the POST-Millennium kingdom.




dick nellis

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For KARS

No I have not seen the Mount of Olives cleave in two.(Zec 14:4)
That event will happen at the end of the Millennium just before the New Jerusalem descends to the earth. We know that his is the New Jertusalem because in Zec 14:8 the LIVING waters go out from Jerusalem. And theLord shall be King (zec 14:9)




DavidPrice

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A finely produced program which not only gives hope but nails the considerable evil that comes from falsehood -- like that of the cynical, arch-heretic "St" Augustine of Hippo -- who did centuries long damage to European civilisation (in conjunction with the exploitative imperial political/religious authorities). I hope we can see more programs where the follies of the past -- based on solid historical research material -- can be contrasted with the real message of truth, understanding and hope.




dick nellis

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Hi KARS
I see that my answer to your post has vanished.
I am rewriting it as best I can remember.
In the 1,000 year millennium there are two resurections.
The first is at the start when the 'RAPTURE' occcurs, the second is
at the end when the New Jerusalem comes down to the earth. The spliting of the mount of Olives is just before the end a little over 1,000 year away. Only those who keep the commandments of God will see it from the New Jerusalem. The view will be best from hesaven.




anthony ciambriello

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Does UCG .org and who also sponsors Beyond Today in any way affiliated with LCG who sponsors Tommorrows World. Do they share the same doctrinal beliefs? I thoroughly enjoy reading both. Thank you very much for the great work you do.




KARS

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@ nellis: I will not contend with you for I understand the resurrections and I know you are wrong. So our conversation ends here. The booklet being offered is were to find the answers.

@ Mr. Ciambriello: The answer to your question is no. UCG and LCG are two different churches.




chronister

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@anthony ciambriello

Both UCG and LCG are splinters from WCG founded by Herbert Armstrong, but are separate organizations.




cjgennaro

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To Mr. Nellis,
I agree with you that there will be first a resurrection to eternal life for those who are Christ's at His return, and then another resurrection to physical life after the millenium.And that the earth will ultimately be burned up and the New Jerusalem will come.
However, I see that the saints will rule on earth with Christ during the millenium. The millenium will be a time of great peace and the erarth will be bountifull like never before. Isiah 11:1-10, 35:1-2, Amos 9:13-15, and Micah 4:1-4 show this. All this will take place DURING the millenium.
The earth will be burnt up a little while after the second resurrection at the end of the millenium. The second resurrection is a chance for all those who have ever lived to know of God's way of life (Rev 20:12). They will live a physical life like you said. But in Rev 21:4 Scripture says that once the New Jerusalem descends there will be no more death. So if the New Jerusalem is already here on the earth, how can those in the second resurrection live a physical life where there will be death? Also in Rev 21:24 only those who are saved will be in the new heavens and new earth. So the way I understand, the earth will be burned after the time of the second resurrection. This will probably be the when the unrepentant are destroyed in the lake of fire which is the second death (Rev 21:8).
That is why I see the first verses mentioned happening durring the millenium. They talk about peace between nations, rebuilding cities, the earth being fruitful. Why whould all those things happen if there is already the new heavens and new earth? This is what the millenium is for- setting up the government of God with Christ ruling over the earth. Then the earth will be ready for all the dead who have ever lived to be reserructed at the end of the thousand years.




dick nellis

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For cjgennaro

Almost everyone agrees that 1Th 4:16-17 are about the 'rapture' at the next resurrection, so read the verses from 1Th4:16 to 1Th 5:3. This is on one subject – verse 5:2 tells us that the Lord (Jesus) comes as a thief in the night, then verse 5:3 tell us that there will be sudden destruction and they shall not escape. If the righteous have been 'raptured', this must apply to the sinners that are left.

In the 'Old Testament' Mal 4:1 tells us the wicked shall be stubble and the they will be burned up, and in verse 4:3 we will tread on them because they shall be ashes under our feet. This all happens right after the 'Rapture'.

If you read Ezekiel 37-39, the dry bones are those who are killed after the 'rapture'. They lay on the surface of the ground because there is no one to bury them. But even they will be resurrected at the last coming of the Lord, just before His feet touch the ground on the Mount of Olives.

It is like a jigsaw puzzle all the pieces must fit. This all happens on the last 1,000 year day of the Lord, which we call a millennium. Jesus comes, we are 'raptured' to be with Him where His father is, He returns with us when the New Jerusalem descends.

It all starts with Rev 18:4 when God calls His people out of the false church. From there it is for the most part sequential, except for the repeated explanatory verses, up to the end of Rev 22. If you examine each phrase in turn you get a complete overview of what happens in sequence.




cjgennaro

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Well I would be careful not to just accept something because "everyone" agrees on it. In 1 Thes 4:16, we see that Christ returns "with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God." There is nothing here to suggest that this is a secret "rapture." This is a very public event. There is a 'shout' and the 'trumpet of God' sounds. This is the trumpet that announces Christ's coming. The seventh trumpet in Rev 10:15: "The kingdoms of THIS WORLD have become the kingdoms of our Christ..." I see Christ coming to rule the kingdoms of THIS WORLD (not the New Jerusalem; though He will rule in that as well after the millenium, submiting to God the Father) after the trumpet of God sounds. Not to rapture the saints. Even if we read 1 Thes 4:16-17 at face value it doesnt say we return to heaven.
"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord." Nothing about going to heaven. Only that we 'meet Christ when He returns after the trumpet of God. The only trumpet we know from scripture referring to Christ's retrurn is the seventh trumpet of Revelation that announces His return to earth. Do you know otherwise? What little I know of the greek in 1 Thes 4 is that the word for 'meet' is the word used to officially welcome a newly arrived dignitary. For instance, citizens of a city would go out and meet a dignitary and then escort him back into the city from which they came. So this would not give the sense of going to heaven. Only meeting Christ in the air and escorting Him back to earth where He will descend to the Mount of Olives. "We shall always be with the Lord" doesn't mean to be with Him in heaven. To come to that conclusion you would be reading something into the scripture. Also, if you believe we don't return to the earth with Christ until after the millenium when the New Jerusalem descends and then there is the second resurrection, how would you explain the fact that there will be no death once there is a new heavens and new earth (Rev 21:4)?




Ivan Veller

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Excellent posts, CJ!

Mr. Nellis, any of the following resources may provide additional insight and scriptural clarification:

1. The rapture: Who's left behind?
http://www.ucg.org/beyond-today-commentary/news-and-prophecy/rapture-who...

2. Are Christians raptured away?
http://www.ucg.org/audio/doctrinal-beliefs/are-christians-raptured-away

3. Is Matthew:24:41 talking about a secret rapture?
http://www.ucg.org/bible-faq/matthew-2441-talking-about-secret-rapture

4. Does the bible teach a secret rapture?
http://www.ucg.org/bible-faq/does-bible-teach-secret-rapture

5. What's 'left behind' in the rapture theory?
http://www.ucg.org/news-and-prophecy/whats-left-behind-rapture-theory

6. The rapture: Fact or fiction?
http://www.ucg.org/beyond-today-program/news-and-prophecy/rapture-fact-o...

7. The rapture
http://www.ucg.org/sermon/rapture-hoax

8. The rapture: Is it biblical?
http://www.ucg.org/sermon/rapture-it-biblical

9. The rapture (part 1)
http://www.ucg.org/doctrinal-beliefs/rapture-popular-false-doctrine/

10. The rapture (part 2)
http://www.ucg.org/doctrinal-beliefs/rapture-wrong-saints-dont-rise-run-...




dick nellis

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Do not believe everything you are told. Unless it is in the Bible. We are told to do as those of Berea did (Acts 17:10-12).

If it not in the scripture, then there is no reason to believe it, because it is not from Gods word.

It is very difficult to show something to a person that will not open their eyes, but I will try to show you again. Please do the following step by step:
1. Find any scripture that show Jesus will be on the earth during the millennium.
2. Show where Jesus is NOW?
In John 14:2-3 Jesus said - “2 … I go to prepare a place for you. 3 … that where I am, there you may be also.”

If Jesus is going to be reigning on the earth during the Millennium, Then He Lied.
But Jesus is God He can not lie.

Jesus is not going to be on the earth, John 14:12 “… I go unto my Father.”
His Father is in heaven.
Revelation 4:1 “After this I looked, and, behold, a door [was] opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard [was] as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.”

Some shall reign with Jesus on the earth BUT it shall be after the end of the Millennium.
Revelation 5:10 “And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.”

If you have a computer Bible program search for the "Day of the Lord" and read the whole paragraph. There will be 20 some. they all tell of the destruction whihch will follow the next coming of Jesus. No one will live after ther rapture. Also read Rev 19:11-16 that is the coming of Jesus then read verses 17, 18. those verse connect with other prohecies that tell of the destruction on the earth at the time of the rapture. Or you can send me yoour e-mail and I'll send you a print out of my study on the subject. but don't wait we don't have much time left.




KARS

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Read Revelation Chapter 20. Then all the references by Mr. Veller. If it is God our Father's will; you will begin to understand.




cjgennaro

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I agree that Christ is in heaven preparing a place for us. I would say He is preparing a place for us in His kingdom and ultimately the New Jerusalem. But if you read the entire verse: "And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may also be." Christ says that He will come again. So we are talking about His actual return here. When I read this verse, I do not see anything that says He will take us back to heaven. Don't you think that would be reading somthing into the verse which is not there? The verse only says that we will be wherever Christ is. I don't think we should conclude this to be heaven. Do you? Since Christ is referring to when He will "come again." The only return of Christ talked about in the scriptures is after the trumpet of God sounds. Correcting my last post, Rev 11:15 after the seventh trumpet sounds, voices say "The kindoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ..." Do you agree that this trumpet sounds at the end of the great tribulation? (Matt 24:31) Then Christ rules the nations as Rev 11:15 says. I see no reason to think Christ does not rule after the trumpet sounds at the end of the great tribulation.
You say not to believe anything not found in scripture. Did you know that the word 'rapture' is not found anywhere in the bible?
In Matthew 24:29-30, Christ returns from the clouds of heaven and "all the tribes of the earth" will see Him coming. I don't see how this could be a secret rapture when the entire world knows about it. What do you think? I only know of one trumpet signaling Christ's return in the bible. That is the seventh trumpet which announces Christ ruling the nations (Rev 11:15). If you say there are no people on the earth during the millennium, can you tell me why Rev 20:7-8 says after the thousands years are up, Satan will go out and deceive the nations of the earth? How can he deceive the nations if there is no one here? Keep in mind the rest of the dead do not live again until verse 12 of chapter 20-the second resurrection. What purpose do you see for God and Christ leaving the earth desolate for 1000 years??




cjgennaro

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I agree that there will be much destruction during the day of the Lord. But we see that a remnant will be saved. Isiah 10:20-22, 11:11 just a couple examples. Also in Rev 19:11, we see that when Christ returns He judges and makes war (verse 11). The armies of heaven follow Him (verse 14). A sword goes out of His mouth and He strikes the nations and rules them with a rod of iron (verse 15). If Christ returns to earth after the millennium when no one is here, who is there for Him to make war against?? What would you say to this. There would not be any nations on the earth for Him to have to put down. This is why I say that the earth does not burn until after the millenium and after the second resurrection when the rest of the world will have their oppotunity to know God's way (Rev 20:12). Then those that still do not repent will be burnt up (Rev 20:14). What do you think? If your study paper answers this or you would like to talk over email, you can email me. **email address removed to comply with comment policy**




Ivan Veller

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Re: "Find any scripture that show[s] Jesus will be on the earth during the millennium...If Jesus is going to be reigning on the earth during the Millennium, Then He Lied."

"Suddenly, the glory of the God of Israel appeared from the east. The sound of His coming was like the roar of rushing waters, and the whole landscape shone with His glory...And the glory of the LORD came into the Temple through the east gateway...and the glory of the LORD filled the Temple...

'The LORD said to me, 'Son of man, this is the place of My throne and the place where I will rest My feet.

'I will live here forever among the people of Israel. They and their kings will not defile My holy name any longer by their adulterous worship of other gods...I will live among them forever" (Ezekiel:43:2-9, NLT 2007).



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