Which day is the Sabbath?

Which day is the Christian Sabbath? Since most churches observe Sunday as their day of rest and worship, many people assume that Sunday is the Sabbath. Is it?


Answer:
Which day is the Sabbath?
The Sabbath is from sunset Friday to sunset Saturday.

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One of the Commandments states: "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work" (Exodus:20:8-10).

God commanded that the seventh day be observed as the Sabbath. A glance at almost any dictionary or encyclopedia will show you that Saturday is the seventh day of the week, while Sunday is the first day of the week. The seventh day according to God's calendar is—and always has been—the Sabbath day. Although man has modified calendars through the centuries, the seven-day weekly cycle has remained intact throughout history. The days of the week have always remained in their proper order, with Sunday as the first day of the week and Saturday as the seventh.

"The oracles of God"—His divine words and instructions recorded in the Holy Scriptures including the Commandments—were entrusted to the Jewish people (Romans:3:1-2), and they have preserved the knowledge of the seventh-day Sabbath faithfully since well before Christ's time to this day.

No biblical authorization to change the Sabbath to Sunday

How did Sunday become the primary day of rest and worship? Although the concept of rest has largely disappeared, most churches continue to hold their worship services on Sunday. You can search throughout the Bible, but you will find no authority to alter the day of worship.

James Cardinal Gibbons, Catholic educator and archbishop of Baltimore in the late 1800s and early 1900s, was blunt about the change: "You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify. The Catholic Church correctly teaches that our Lord and His Apostles inculcated certain important duties of religion which are not recorded by the inspired writers...We must, therefore, conclude that the Scriptures alone cannot be a sufficient guide and rule of faith" ( The Faith of Our Fathers, 1917, p. 89).

Did you catch that? The writer admits that Sunday observance is nowhere authorized in the Bible and that the seventh day is the only day sanctified by the Scriptures. His justification for changing the day of rest and worship assumes that authority exists apart from the Bible to define the necessary truths and practices for salvation.

Sabbath change made after the New Testament was written

The change from Sabbath to Sunday was made long after the writing of the New Testament. No clear references to Sunday as a day of Christian worship are found until the writings of Barnabas and Justin, c. A.D. 135 and 150, respectively. Observance of Sunday as the primary day of worship appears to have solidified in the reign of Emperor Hadrian (A.D. 117-135), who harshly persecuted Jews throughout the Roman Empire. Hadrian specifically prohibited practices of Judaism, including observance of the seventh-day Sabbath.

These oppressive measures apparently influenced many early Christians in Rome to abandon the seventh day and turn to Sunday, historically observed by the Romans as a day of veneration of the sun (hence the name of the day). Within a few centuries Sabbath observance by Christians was virtually eliminated within the confines of the empire and replaced by Sunday.

Although the Protestant Reformation brought some doctrinal and administrative changes, observance of Sunday as a day of rest and worship continued from the Roman Catholic Church into subsequent Protestant denominations. Whereas the Catholic Church claimed authority to establish its own times of worship, Protestant churches generally justified Sunday observance on the grounds that the seventh-day Sabbath was replaced in the New Testament by worship on Sunday in honor of Christ's resurrection.

As confirmed by Cardinal Gibbons above, there is no biblical authority for changing the day of rest and worship from the seventh-day Sabbath to Sunday. As shown in our free booklet Sunset to Sunset: Gods Sabbath Rest , Jesus Christ, the apostles and Jewish and gentile members of the early Church alike continued to observe the Commandments, including the seventh-day Sabbath. This is the only day authorized in the Bible.


dana guzman

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with knowing that saturday is the true sabbath why is it that all churches execpt the seventh day adven choose to still worship on sunday? what does the bible say about this or does it.
and does it mean that now that i know this should i not worship on God's sabbath. is it a sin not too, and still worship on sunday.




Skip

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Hello Dana,

You asked some good questions!
Most people who read history give the Roman Catholic Church the credit (or at least the responsibility!) for changing the day of worship from Saturday (the Sabbath) to Sunday.

If you believe that there is a God & that God has communicated with us humans --- yes, it makes a difference which day we worship God.

If you are looking for help understanding how important it is, after reading our booklets on the Sabbath, there are several people (LIKE ME!) who would be able to answer any questions you have such as ----
Where is the closest Church that teaches ALL the Truth? We will tell you.

Sincerely!




Timpj

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I am curious how the church addressed Samoa's dateline shift. It seems to have caused some confusion with the SDA's as to which day to keep the Sabbath. **Link removed to comply with comment policy**




joyful

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the sabbath day is a day placed in the commandment by God for man.. breaking the sabbath day is a sin for it is the breaking of the law of God. by observing it , you are showing love tawords you Creator, for it is written in the bible, " if you love Me, keep my commandments".(john 14:15)




Jeba Moses

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Thank you for challenging the Christian community to return to the Bible completely! If God said the seventh day was the Sabbath, and our Lord observed it when He was on this earth, that is what we must do as well.

Let us not follow human traditions and clever theological arguments that lead people away from God's holy day. Amen!!!




DeeDikay

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Can somebody explain to me this? Can it be Saturday? or Sabbath is the day of rest? Because looking at Leviticus 23.24 it says “Say to the Israelites: ‘On the first day of the seventh month you are to have a day of sabbath rest, a sacred assembly commemorated with trumpet blasts. 25 Do no regular work, but present a food offering to the Lord.’” Which means it can be any day between sunday to saturday. What evidence in the bible does it show that Saturday is the seventh day? What I have seen so far is that There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest, a day of sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; wherever you live, it is a sabbath to the Lord. I'm confused.




Steven Britt

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Hi DeeDikay,

The scripture you quoted, Leviticus:23:24, is about an annual Holy Day called the Feast of Trumpets - it occurred only once a year, on the first day of the seventh month. It says that on that day to "have a day of sabbath rest," but this is in addition to the weekly Sabbath day of worship, which was always the seventh day of the week. I think the clearest way to put it is like this: the seventh day of every week was a sabbath (Leviticus:23:3), but there are a few other designated days out of the year that are also sabbaths. Because the weekly sabbath occurs every week, it has often come to be known simply as "THE Sabbath," and when we say this we specifically are referring to the seventh day of the week. In Leviticus 23, however, the term "sabbath" is simply indicating the manner in which the day in question is to be observed.

As far as biblical evidence that Saturday is the day of rest, you first should realize that the names that we have for the days of the weeks today are NOT the way that the days were referred to in ancient times. In fact, our day names are mostly taken from the names of pagan gods! But if you want proof that our Saturday today is indeed the seventh day of the week, it's not hard to verify, because the weekly Sabbath since the time of Christ has been faithfully kept by the Jews. Moreover, Catholic and Protestant churches alike acknowledge that the commanded day of worship in the bible, the seventh day, is Saturday! But they have chosen to believe that the church has the authority to change God's day of worship, for one reason or another. Check out the following article for more information on the history proving that Saturday is the seventh day of the week:

http://www.ucg.org/booklet/sunset-sunset-gods-sabbath-rest/sabbath-begin...




Malachi 3_16-18

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Hi DeeDikay,

The confusion arises because God’s high holy days – the seven annual holy days – are at times also called “Sabbaths” (Lev:23:39, for example, describes the Feast of Tabernacles and Eighth Day as a period covering two annual “Sabbaths” which are not the weekly Sabbath - unless one of those annual days also happens to fall on a Saturday in a particular year). These days are like the weekly Sabbath, in that we always assemble together to worship God, and refrain from our regular work, during these times.

The particular holy day referred to here is the annual festival of Trumpets. This day is also mentioned in Numbers:29:1.

The weekly Sabbath is to be observed on the seventh day of the week, based on God’s commandment (Ex 20:8-11; 31:12-17; 17:22-30; Deut 5:12-15) and His resting on the seventh day of Creation week, and blessing/sanctifying it (Gen:2:2-3). To sanctify means to set apart as holy.

I hope this helps to answer your question.




rwp_47

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Hi DeeDikay ...

Don't be confused ... its actually not hard to understand.
The Sabbath you're referring to in Lev:23:24-25 is not the weekly Sabbath. Its what is called an annual Sabbath. Its called an annual Sabbath because it occurs only once a year. This particular Sabbath is called the Feast of Trumpets. And actually, this year, it will occur on 25 September 2014 (mostly on a Thursday). Annual Sabbaths can occur on almost any day of the week.
The seventh day Sabbath, which also is a festival, is something you will find instructions on in Lev:23:2-3. This is the weekly Sabbath ... and it occurs every week from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.
Understand, the bible defines a day differently than does the general public. The bible doesn't begin a day at midnight and then end it the following midnight. For the bible a day begins at sunset and then ends the following sunset.
Notice Lev:23:4. Here it tells us that everything after verse 4 will be about festivals that occur "in their seasons". So each of these festivals will occur only once a year.
For instance, Passover and the Days of Unleavened Bread (See Lev.23 beginning verse 5),occur in the Spring. The feast of Lev:23:24-25 (the one you were referring to) occurs in the Fall of the year.
Think of it this way. God has a plan of salvation. The most general description of this plan is the 7 day weekly cycle which ends with the Sabbath. This depicts a 7000 year plan (where the scale is one day is counted as 1000 years). The last thousand years is the millennium, which is pictured by the weekly Sabbath and is the 1000 year reign of Christ. The Sabbath day pictures the millennium.
Now the seasonal holy days, those that occur after verse 4, picture the major events (details) that occur during the 7000 year plan. The Passover, for instance, pictures Jesus coming as the Passover Lamb of God. The Feast you referred to in Lev:23:24-25 (the Feast of Trumpets) pictures Christ returning as the King of Kings to take over world government and to set up the Kingdom of God on the earth. In verse 24 we find the Feast of Tabernacles - this pictures the millennial rule of Christ. So it relates very closely with the seventh day Sabbath as they both picture the same thing but the Feast of Tabernacles provides greater detail.
Anyway DeeDikay - I'm out of space - I hope the above information helps.




linda effenberger

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Hello rwp_47. I think all of God's festivals picture not only the future plan of God, but what God is doing during the time before the Millenium. The Sabbath (Lev:23:3) is a weekly reminder that we are to be a new creation in Jesus Christ and in the millenium we will rule with him and be with him and the Father of Heaven for all eternity in His family - His Temple in the city of Jerusalem. The Passover is a ceremony of dedication that we acknowledge our covenant agreement by accepting the grace we have in Jesus Christ as we eat of the Bread of Life and drink of the cup of sacrifice in service to God. We follow in Christ's footsteps and sacrifice also our life in service to God. The Days of Unleavened Bread is picturing our active involvement to daily eat of that bread so that we are producing the fruit of God and removing sin out of our lives. Pentecost gives us a visual remembrance of what the Bread of Life is all about. It is the very life of God that lives in us to produce Godly fruit in obedience to His Spirit. The Feast of Trumpets reminds us of the active involvement of God in world events when the Day of the Lord comes with the blowing of the 7 trumpets. The seventh trumpet is when God's wrath culminates in the visible coming of Jesus Christ on the earth to set up his Kingdom on earth and His rule. The Feast of Atonement shows that the ruler of this world (Satan) has been the cause of sin and evil - he has guilt placed on his head - and will be chained up during the Millenium and will be eventually thrown into the lake of fire to eternal death. Death and Hades will no longer exist. There will one day be no more death, no more tears and no more sorrow that was perpetrated by this being and his followers of evil. The Feast of Tabernacles pictures the joy and fellowship we will have in the Millenium and forever, but also what we have now in this life. We have joy in the relationship with our God and with His children. That is why it is so important that God's children begin now to love one another. We will spend eternity together in fellowship with God and His Family. The Feast of Tabernacles is a time where the "temples of God" come together to worship and praise God for His love to us and to show our love to Him by loving all God's children by sharing with them and feasting together in an atmosphere of peace and harmony. (continued, in the next block)




rwp_47

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Hi linda effenberger ...

Nice write-up. But I was wondering ... what scripture were you referring to when you spoke of the "temples of God"? I think that three term phrase, like the phrase "immortal soul", can't actually be found anywhere in the bible. Sort of like when Jesus said, "I will build my church" ... he didn't say, "I will build my churches". And since the church is "the" temple of God ... then that would imply one temple.

Here's some interesting nuggets to mull over that relate to this. In the book of Revelation Jesus reveals to us that actually God is the temple ... and clearly it means God alone as nothing but God is mentioned (Rev:21:22). But 1 Cor:3:16 (and a number of other scriptures as well) establishes that the church is the temple of God. And we know that the church is the body of Christ. Wouldn't you agree that there is only one Christ ... and that he has only one body? And wouldn't that one body be one undivided church, all members believing the same thing? Wouldn't that one church be the pillar and ground of "the" truth? I mean it would be hard to imagine there being many churches that can't agree or get together on anything ... and that these all would constitute the "pillars" and grounds of "different truths" while they all constitute Christ's single body. I mean ... how would that make sense? And where in the scriptures is such a thing as that indorsed?




linda effenberger

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(from previous commentary, continued)

(continued from previous block - the feasts of God)

It could very well be that Feast of Tabernacles pictures the final wedding feast of the Bride of Christ. The Last Great Day, and/or the Eighth Day, is the beginning of the eighth thousandth year period of God’s Plan where all the rest will be judged in the White Throne Judgment and those who have not been found written in the book of life will be eternally snuffed out. This is the final cleansing (the last great day) where all evil and wickedness will be eternally removed from the earth in God’s wrath, pictured as a consuming fire. The Eighth Day can be construed as the beginning of the New Heaven and New Earth where God the Father will then be visible on earth, for His glory gives it light and the Lamb is its Lamp. “No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him” (Rev:22:3).




rwp_47

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Hi again Linda ...
I wonder what scripture you're thinking of when you refer to Tabernacles as picturing the wedding? I was thinking of Rev:20:11-12 and the great white throne judgment (the final judgment). And I was thinking that it would probably be a good idea that before Christ's marriage should take place knowing who will be saved and who won't be should be determined first. I mean it would be awful if part of the Bride of Christ should end up not being granted life and have to be destroyed in the lake of fire. So I would think that waiting until after the final judgment is made before convening the marriage would probably be a good idea.

And additionally Revelation 21 shows the new Jerusalem (which is Christ's bride) coming down from God out of heaven after the new earth is in place. And evidently it would appear that this is the new Jerusalem's first appearance on earth. So that would mean ... assuming a Tabernacles wedding ... that the marriage took place in heaven! Not only that, but that would mean if one assumes that the Church is the bride then the church spends the millennium in heaven ... not in Jerusalem! That would mean we go to heaven!

In consideration of these things it just strikes me that a Tabernacles wedding (or Tabernacles picturing the wedding) likely isn't correct. Anyway ... just a thought.




linda effenberger

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Hello rwp-47. I just read your post. Thank you for your comments. I will begin by answering your question about “temples of God.”
1 Cor:3:16 …that you yourselves are God’s temple (using the word “yourselves” gives the individual touch of each person. Your translation of this verse says it clearer – “and the Spirit of God dwells in you”)
1 Cor:6:19 …do you not know that your body is a temple of God? Notice the “a”. Each body is a temple of God.
2 Co 6:16 For we are the temple of the living God. (This statement exemplifies oneness, collectively – one Temple, The Temple – God. As in Revelation:21:22.
Acts:17:24 …does not live in temples built by hands. (notice the plural form of temple is used here)
Notice John:14:23: “Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him and we will come to him and make our home with him.” This event begins when Christ lives in each individual person and God will continue be there for all eternity if we do not give up and if we overcome.
Where is God? God is in his holy temple (Hab:2:20). Where is his holy temple? It is where God lives (John:14:23).
It is the children of God who are the temple of God – each child of God houses the Spirit of God and this house is called the house of God - The Temple.

I will address your other comment later.




linda effenberger

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Hello rwp-47. I wrote that the Feast of Tabernacles could very well picture the marriage feast of the Bride of Christ. Here is how I put the pieces of scripture together.

The people of God, as pictured by the nation of Israel in the Old Testament, consisted of a kingdom of priests and a holy nation (Ex. 19:6). The priests were chosen by God from the tribe Levi. In addition, God chose the firstborn of the other tribes to be serving in the priesthood. (And with your blood you purchased men for God from every tribe and language and people and nation ). The first resurrection consists of saints that will reign with Christ as kings and priests. At Christ’s coming, they are changed into Eternal-life Beings. The second death has no longer any power over them. They are the bride of Christ.

The Feast of Tabernacles pictures the Millenium, the Kingdom of God. It pictures the resurrected saints with Christ with great feasting and joy. If we look at the chronological order of God’s holy days, the “Last Great Day” or “Eighth Day” comes after the Feast of Tabernacles. The Eighth Day is commonly connected with the Great White Throne Judgment as described in Revelation. This is considered the second resurrection – the resurrection of the dead.
Those in the first resurrection will be married to Christ. Should the Wedding Feast be postponed until after the second resurrection? Could there be more than one Wedding Feast? An interesting set of scriptures are found in Matt:8:11-12 and Luke:13:29. Notice who take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of heaven: People from the east and west and north and south. Surely this means that people come from all nations and Gentiles are included. There is no indication here as to when this takes place, but there will be “children” of the Kingdom that will be thrown out into darkness. They will not be allowed to partake of this feast. This sounds like those that were judged after the first resurrection. Could this feast be the Wedding Feast? Whatever the case may be, God is gracious but just and fair.




rwp_47

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Hi again Linda. God does indeed live in each and every saint. Regarding 1 Cor:3:19 though - some translations say "a" and some say "the". It appears that your intent is to infer that each saint is a complete temple in and of himself, and that the temple of God is therefore made up of multiple "little-me" temples of God. If I've understood you correctly here then I can tell you for certain that what you're saying is definitely not church teaching (nor church doctrine) - its speculation.

In any case I would suggest that what you are saying is not correct.

Each saint might be seen as a single brick of the temple, or be seen as a particular substructure of the temple (like a pillar, lentil, etc.), Just as a saint might be seen as a specific body part of the body (a hand, foot, etc.) when considering the church as the body of Christ. The bible does support such notions as these. But the hand is not the whole body - and a brick or pillar is not the whole temple - any more than a cell of your body is a miniature you. Christ's body has but one head ... and Linda ... its not you or I. No matter how its viewed.

To say that you are a complete temple in and of yourself would be like saying you are a body that is Christ in and of yourself. Suggesting that you would find it legitimate to worship your very own head. That you see your own head as being equal to the one and only true head - Jesus. That would make you your own savior ... in that case you wouldn't need Jesus ... or the father for that matter (since he's the head of the temple ... the temple being his house). And since Rev:21:22 shows that the temple is God ... that's how you would see yourself. It sounds like Lucifer ... I will be like the most high. Linda - I think you're mistaken with this notion.

But if you want some speculation Linda - consider this: You are no more a complete temple of God (in and of yourself) than the Temple of God (in and of itself) constitutes the entire city of New Jerusalem.

Give that a chance to soak in and think about it a bit.

That's a comment that not only squares off with your perspective of what a saint is Linda ... it actually takes on a cherished belief of the entire "Christian" world ... including the Church's present understanding of just what is the Church (is it really the bride ... or is it actually something else?).




Merawi

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In Ethiopia we observe two sabbath days. Both Saturday and Sunday. But recently hermits from the Ethiopian deserts and wilderness came to the capital city Addis Ababa and declared that the prophet Elijah has returned to this earth. They said he told them that the sabbath day is Saturday. And ethiopians should not observe two sabbath days because there is only one sabbath day. However the church leaders and the synod ridiculed them at first and when they would not stop talking about Sunday not being a sabbath day they got them arrested. In Ethiopia a second sabbath day was added in 600 a.d. When the decree to change the sabbath day to Sunday came from Europe to ethiopia, Ethiopian people refused to accept it because Ethiopians used to observe sabbath for thousands of years before the birth of Christ. After countless Ethiopians were slaughtered and when the rulers were unable to change the sabbath day in ethiopa, they came up with two sabbaths solution. Ethiopians still observe two sabbath days today. But now the hermits and monks from the wilderness are saying there is only one sabbath. I am curious to know if sabbath is changed to Sunday by the antichrist? Because what the hermits are saying is that Sunday is a day that lucifer claimed to be the almighty God. The day that he was created and the day he loves dearly. And when we worship on Sunday we are worshiping the devil. Please tell me what you know about Sunday worship and the relationship with the devil.




linda effenberger

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Hello rwp-47. Thank you for expressing your candid thoughts. Let us look, first of all, at what a temple of God means. Can we say a temple is where God lives or dwells? If we consider the Tabernacle or Tent of Meeting and compare it with the other temples ever built for God, then we will notice that there are actually 2 structures involved: a temple in a temple, so to speak. The interior of the temple of God or the holy house of Solomon’s Temple, also called “the temple building proper” consisted of the sanctuary, or Holy Place, and the Holy of Holies, along with a Porch. In Solomon’s temple proper were additionally chambers for the priests, arranged in three stories. This structure was “built of huge blocks of white stone with plates of gold upon the front, so that in the distance it appeared like a mountain covered with snow.” (Excerpt from “Temple” in the Peloubet’s Bible Dictionary, page 677).

You may ask what significance does this information have to do with what we are discussing. Well, I think it has great importance in order for us to understand the dwelling of the God Almighty. Only the priests were allowed to enter the sanctuary or Holy Place, but the Holy of Holies could only be entered one time a year (at the Day of Atonement) by the high priest, and no other. The Israelites or Jews could enter the Court of the House of the Lord, but the Gentiles were not to pass beyond the wall or partition (Soreg) and could only remain in the Court of the Gentiles (Information from Peloubet’s Bible Dictionary).

Who may dwell in the sanctuary of God? Psalm 15 tells us who may live in God’s dwelling: the one who keeps his commandments, who keeps his oath or covenant with God.the Father and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever – the Spirit of truth.” Do you notice when Spirit is received and how long we will have it? This Spirit is given to us through Jesus Christ when we obey his commandments. We are given the Spirit of God to live in us at the time of our covenant agreement with God and when the willful act of keeping his commandments are put into action.The test commandment is the 7th day Sabbath. If we begin to keep his weekly Sabbath day and his annual Sabbath days holy, as well as when we begin diligently making the effort to keep his other 9 commandments, then he will give us His Spirit to be with us now and forevermore!

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linda effenberger

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Continued from earlier block, "Temples of God" comments directed to rwp-47:
We now have the opportunity to be in God’s sanctuary – in the internal house of God– right there with the High Priest, Jesus Christ! How do we get there and where is it? We need to go back to the Spirit. Can we say, where the Spirit of God dwells, there is God? “But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness. And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you” (Romans:8:10-11).

My spirit lives (eternally) through the Spirit of Christ. It is not I who lives, but Christ in me (Gal:2:20). “The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children” (Romans:8:16). To make it clearer, the Bible explains who the Spirit is. “Now the Lord is the Spirit” (2 Cor:3:17). “When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory” (Col:3:4). “To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory” (Col:1:27).

“The Spirit helps us in our weakness” (Romans 8, 26). Who gives me strength? “Blessed are those whose strength is in you – Lord Almighty” (Ps:84:5). “I can do everything through him who gives me strength” (Phil 4: 13).

If God (Jesus Christ and the Father) have made their dwelling in me, then it is his abode and not mine anymore. I belong to God. He bought me with a high price. It is his temple that he is making with His Hands and not with my hands. Therefore, it cannot be that I am a “little-me” temple of God, but his house is in me, I am the temporary, outer tabernacle or tent. The internal or Temple proper is God. I am the clay pot that holds the holy water. One day the clay pot will disappear and the holy water will remain joined with my spirit forever.

I ask you a question, rwp-47, are you a child of God? How are you a child of God? Is it not because God’s Seed (1 John:3:9 - Greek word “sperma”) is within you and is making a new creation in you to be born of God – God’s offspring - when Christ appears again? I did not say Seeds – there is only one Seed, but there are many offspring of God. There is one God who has many dwelling places.




rwp_47

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Hi again Linda. With your 4 November last paragraph in mind consider. We know one normally receives God's Spirit by the laying on of hands after baptism (Acts:8:18). And you agree its a begettal. So consider, we know that a begettal results in a fetus. And a fetus implies a new body begins forming. And couldn't one reasonably suppose that a spiritual begettal would result in a spirit fetus ... and a spirit body.

Now this begettal line of thinking (which was introduced by Herbert Armstrong) raises very interesting questions. For example, when one receives the Holy Spirit , and considering that a person has the spirit of man in him already, then that's two spirits in the one saint. However since this process mirrors human reproduction per HWA, then they would unite into one spirit (into a literal child of God) which would be the new fetus and so new spirit body.

What happens to that spirit at death ... to that fetus (Eccl:12:7)? It returns to God? But that spirit is not just a spirit essence like the spirit of man ... its a fetus. Does this mean such a one goes to heaven? Question: The fetus in you ... who is it?

Now in Rom:8:8-9 Paul says, "they that are in the flesh cannot please God.". This is an interesting situation because there are two bodies to consider here ... but only one person. One's the original physical body ... but then there's also this new spirit body. But Paul is saying God isn't pleased with anyone who is in the flesh. So does that mean God isn't pleased with his own begotten children (his saints) even though he's placed his Spirit in them? But then notice what Paul says ... he says, but you are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if God's Spirit dwells in you. What a provocative and interesting statement that is when considered from this perspective. Is Paul not saying that spirit fetus is you? Because originally you were in the flesh. But since begettal, the person you are is now no longer in that physical body, but in the spirit body instead. So, when a saint dies in this life, is the spirit that returns to God a mere spirit essence ... or is it instead a person? And how do we know?




linda effenberger

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Dear rwp.47: Regarding your questions directed to me about the new creation that is developing in the chosen, here is my comment. You asked (put in my words) “Who is the new creation that develops in those implanted with the Seed of God?” It should be clear that it is God – from the Godkind – parentage is God (imperishable seed: 1 Peter:1:23). This verse also reveals through whom this comes, namely, the Word of God – Logos – Jesus Christ.

I might add that the Spirit of God (Greek word: “sperma” – Seed) is given to the one that believes in the Son of God and who also has made a commitment in belief and faith to follow him, which means following his commandments. Just being baptized is not the only criteria for receiving the Spirit within our hearts. Jesus Christ makes it clear, I think, in short, when he tells us in Matthew:22:37, “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind” (also found in Deut. 6:5). In addition, in Matthew:4:10 (found also in Deut. 6:13) Jesus tells Satan: “For it is written, ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.”

God wants active participation and effort on our part to love him. First is the establishment of the covenant agreement between the chosen one and God to keep God’s words and laws faithfully and unconditionally. The chosen one needs to know first of all what is expected of him before he makes this agreement with God. Look closely at the chain of events as the Israelites were presented the 10 commandments. God spoke to the Israelites and told them his commandments (Exodus:20:2-17), but the Israelites were scared, and asked Moses to talk to them (Exodus:20:19). Through this experience, the Israelites were to learn the “fear of God” – the beginning of the knowledge of God (Proverbs:2:5). “Moses approached the thick darkness where God was. Then the Lord said to Moses, Tell the Israelites this: “You have seen for yourselves that I have spoken to you from heaven: Do not make any gods to be alongside me; do not make for yourselves gods of silver or gods of gold” (Exodus:20:21-23). After these verses, God continued to give Moses his laws that he was to set before the Israelites – Exodus 21-23. These laws were and are still today a part of the covenant agreement with God.

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linda effenberger

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Response to the comment from rwp-47, continuation from previous block:

“When Moses went and told the people all the Lord’s words and laws, they responded with one voice, ‘Everything the Lord has said we will do’” (Exodus:24:3). Again, the next morning, Moses took the Book of the Covenant (which he wrote down, Exodus:24:24) and read it to the people. “They responded, ‘We will do everything the Lord has said; we will obey.’” At this point, the Israelites were sanctified by the sprinkling of blood. “This is the blood of the covenant that the Lord has made with you in accordance with all these words” (Exodus:24:8). God summoned Moses to come up to him and God himself wrote his law and commands on tablets of stone. The contract between the Israelites and God was officially written two times on two stones by God himself: one duplicate for each party of the contract or agreement. (These tablets were broken because of disobedience displayed by the Israelites - Exodus:32:19, but Moses sought atonement for their sins and the tablets were replaced by God – Exodus:34:1: Deut. 10:2) These two stones were later placed in the Ark of the Covenant (Deut. 10:2).

This may be a long explanation, but it should make it clear how God works with each chosen one. God calls, reveals himself and presents to each one what he expects from the one who will be his child in this age of time. Then comes the “I do”, the confirmation of the marriage vow, “I will do everything the Lord has said and will obey him.” Through the shed blood of Christ, the elected one is sanctified, reconciling him to God by the forgiveness of past sins. Through the Spirit of Christ – the life of Christ (eternal life), the sprinkling of water (Hebrews:9:19; Numbers:8:7) and washing with pure water (Hebrews:10:22: Titus:3:4-7), the elected one is kept safe in the arms of God. The cleansing with the water (the Spirit) is an on-going purification process because of the on-going human nature and sin that needs to be forgiven by God, therefore the washing of the clothes many times to make them white as snow. Just like Moses as he went to God to make atonement for the sins of the Israelites (Exodus:32:11-14; Exodus:32:30), and the high priest on the Day of Atonement, Jesus Christ intercedes for us as our High Priest (Hebrews:2:17: Romans:8:26-27; Romans:8:34; Hebrews:7:25).




linda effenberger

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Question from rwp-47: What happens to that spirit at death ... to that fetus (Eccl:12:7)? It returns to God? But that spirit is not just a spirit essence like the spirit of man ... its a fetus. Does this mean such a one goes to heaven? Question: The fetus in you ... who is it?

Here is my answer: The Spirit is in you. Who is the Spirit? The Spirit is Jesus Christ and we are a part of his “body” – a part of his eternal Spirit life. This same Spirit is the Father (Col:1:19). Jesus Christ is making a new creation in us from his life “essence”. He is our eternal life (John:10:28; 1 John:1:2). I do not find it appropriate to call this new creation a fetus. I find this nowhere in the Bible. “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come” (2 Cor:5:17). Our spirit joins with God’s Spirit (Jesus Christ) and will grow if we are continually submissive to his will and remain faithful. Upon physical death (sleep), our spirit remains in Christ and forever. The old mentioned in 2 Cor:5:17 refers to physical life, the physical creation, the carnal life that we possess.

The Spirit is the Counselor (John:14:16), the Advocate, the Helper, The Rock. He leads the chosen child of God to the paths of righteousness. (The Lord is our righteousness.) Jesus Christ is not a stumbling block to us as he was to the Jews or to us foolishness, as he was to the Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God (1 Cor:1:13-24). "It is because of him (God, the Father) that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God -- that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption" (1 Cor:1:30).

The Spirit promises to stay with us and never leave us (Deut. 31:8; Matthew:28:20). He is the God with us, Immanuel. And there the child of God will remain (John:15:4; 1 John:2:24; 2 John 9b), in Christ (Romans:6:23b), for ever and ever (1 Thess. 4:17; 2 John 2).




Sabrina Peabody

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This is just a friendly reminder to ask those who are posting comments to please refocus on the above article. "Which day is the Sabbath?"

I found a lot of useful information after reading "From Sabbath to Sunday" by Samuele Bacchiocchi. It goes into detail about what happened in history that led to Christians celebrating Sunday instead the Sabbath.




Steven Britt

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Merawi,

The bible does not reveal what day lucifer was created on. Additionally, people can worship the true God on Sunday just fine! God created every day of the 7-day week, and He does not prohibit anyone from worshiping Him on any day of the week. However, God specifically set apart the seventh day and made it a holy day of worship - on this day, God REQUIRES worship and He requires it in a particular way: that we rest from our work in memorial of how He rested from the work of creation (Genesis:2:2-3, Exodus:20:8-11). Moreover, He later revealed that we are also to gather together for worship on the 7th day of every week (Leviticus:23:3).

The 7th day of the week is well known throughout the world to be Saturday, and very few people dispute this fact. God's commandment is clear, but many many churches throughout the world DO NOT teach that the 7th day should be kept holy at all. By abandoning God's Sabbath command and making their day of worship on Sunday, they are not worshiping the devil - they are deceived into a false worship system that Satan surely is happy about, but they clearly direct their worship to the God of the bible. God does not allow people to worship Him in just any way they want - for example, the story of Micah in Judges 17 shows how he made idols to worship the true God, but this is not a type of worship God finds acceptable! In the case of Sunday vs. Saturday for the Sabbath, I'll say again that God does not prohibit people from worshiping Him on Sunday; however, if one fails to observe the Sabbath rest on God's appointed time and forsakes the holy convocation that God commanded for His Sabbath (Saturday), then He will be just as angry with that person as someone who has worshiped Him with an idol.



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