In response to participant questions, this Bible study begins to discuss the topic of the abomination of desolation, as mentioned in Daniel 12, and as Christ discusses in the Olivet Prophecy in Matthew 24:15. This is part 1 of a discussion that will continue in the following Bible Study.
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Okay, so as I mentioned before the break, I'll mention it again. Tonight we're going to go through some of the questions that we have from last week's Bible Studies, Bible study, on the days, the days in Daniel 12 that are mentioned, the 1335 days, the 1290 days, the 1260 days. I'm going to start off by talking about the abomination of desolation, because it is a key thing in history when you see exactly what happened to the Jews back in 167, 168 AD back then. And Christ then tells us it's a future event as well, the abomination of desolation that occurs at the end of the age. And he says, as is spoken by the prophet Daniel.
So we can learn a lot about what will happen in the coming abomination of desolation by looking at the past abomination of desolation. While we're in Daniel, we will look at some verses that will shed some light on some of the questions that have come up as well. I know some have asked about the daily sacrifices that may begin again in Jerusalem before the return of Jesus Christ. We'll see that in the abomination of desolation back in 167, those daily sacrifices were taken away. And so it is likely that those daily sacrifices will begin to be taken away again. It'll be a sign of the impending upcoming tribulation and the return of Jesus Christ. Now we're going to look at the temples as well. We have the Old Testament temples where God dwelt among His people in those temples. But we also have the New Testament temple where God dwells in us, and we are the temple that He is building individually and collectively. So with that, let's go back to Daniel 11.
Now we will see in a very detailed prophecy in Daniel this time of the abomination of desolation that came upon the Jews back in, as I said, 168 and 167 BC. Daniel 11. Let's pick it up in verse 20. Daniel, where are you? There you go. Daniel 11.
Let's pick it up in verse 29 and just read through it. If you go through verse 33, it's talking about this time we're going to talk about here tonight. Verse 29 says, at the time, He, it's talking about the king at that time, shall return and go toward the south, but it shall not be like the former or the latter. For ships from Cyprus shall come against Him, and He shall be grieved, and He will return in rage against the Holy Covenant and do damage. So He's very angry, heads back to Jerusalem, heads back to that city and where the Jews are and do damage.
So He shall return and shall regard for those who forsake the Holy Covenant. So as we go through there, we will see that Antiochus of Epiphanes, he's the one who did that. I mean, he rewards those who turn against the Jewish faith. So it says, He will shall regard for those who forsake the Lord. Hello.
Let me mute everyone here. Okay. Verse 31, Enforces shall be mustered by Him, and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress. Then they shall take away the daily... Can you see there in italics and sacrifices again, but those literally were taken away. When Antiochus came in, everything of the Jewish faith stopped. Then they shall take away the daily sacrifices and place there the abomination of desolation. We'll get to what that was as he actually went into the physical temple, stopped all the sacrifices that were going on there, and replaced the Holy Place with a foreign god. Most places say Zeus it was, and actually offered swine on the altar of God, in which case, you know, that no one clean meat was ever to be offered in that temple. Those who do wickedly...verse 32... those would be wickedly, when you see it, it's like they're morally wrong. So they go against God, under the face of the scrutiny and the pressure that Antiochus will bring upon people. We can compare that to the mark of the beast at the end time, when God says, stand up for Him. Don't take the mark of the beast. And so the people back then, as Antiochus came in and threatened them with life, their lives and everything else like that, many of them did wickedly, wickedly against the covenant. Those who do wickedly against the covenant, He shall corrupt with flattery. He praised them. They had the favor of the king. The more wrong they did, the more praise they got. So again, the question is, well, who were they pleasing? King or God? And it's a question that we will all face going forward as well. Those who do wickedly against the covenant, He shall corrupt with flattery. But the people who know their God shall be strong and carry out great exploits. Faith in God. Knowing the truth, loving the truth, seeking the truth, and following the truth. Not following men, not following the words of men. Knowing the Bible, looking into the Bible, and following God, even when your life is at stake or whatever it is that someone would put at stake. Those who do wickedly, chose the king. Those who follow God will be strong, and they will carry out great exploits. God will give them the power. God will give them the power to withstand, or whatever His will is. And those are the people who understand, shall instruct many. Yet for many days they shall fall by sword and flame, by captivity and plundering. So when they had, you know, as that began, there was a persecution, of course, in Judah. It was a tremendous, a tremendous trial time. I'm going to put up, I'm going to put up here just kind of a summary of what went on during that abomination of just elation. Then, just so that we can kind of rehearse ourselves, because it is important to know. Let me get this where I'm back on the front page here.
And really, you get this primarily from the book of Maccabees. It describes in chapter one there, in 1 Maccabees, what the Jews went through during that time. Also, Josephus will talk about that time. He fills in some of the blanks of what happened. And then there's another historian who actually documents that not only were swine offered in the temple, but Antiochus forced the Jews to eat swine. It wasn't enough to just do that. But he wanted them to violate every principle of Judaism. He was out basically to destroy Judaism and the truth of God. So, we, you know, as we just take this survey here through the book of Maccabees, we can see how it happened again. It is what is prophesied here in Daniel 11, those verses that we read. Around 167 BC, he issued these decrees throughout his kingdom, wanting... He wanted everyone to believe the same religion. He wanted everyone to be of the same culture. He wanted unity. He didn't care what he believed, and it had to be his way. That was the way he was going to do it all. And so Judaism was the one that was by far outside of what the traditional Gentile worship was. So he had his focus on that. Now, as we talk about these things, we can think about the time ahead of us and the Beast power. And in Revelation 13, it says that when the Beast is there for the three and a half years, he will go to war against the saints. He, too, will be looking at how do I destroy the truth of God? How do I... has his sights on people who practice and who obey God and follow God, just like Antiochus did here? It's the same type thing that they went through back then, that we get an idea of what will happen in the future.
So he went out, Antiochus, and he literally cast out laws and threw out laws against basically everything the Jews were practicing. Anything that religious that they had, he wanted to do away with. So as far as the sacrifices go, the burnt offerings, everything that went on in the temple, he outlawed them all. So when it says the daily sacrifices were stopped, they were stopped. They couldn't do them anymore.
He literally came in, and he literally stopped those sacrifices. So when we read in Daniel 12 about when the daily sacrifices are stopped, it sure appears if the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, occurs later, something happens with those daily sacrifices with the Jews in that area of the world where Jerusalem is and where those sacrifices could begin, even without a temple.
So God did away with all the temple offerings. Nothing. Nothing that would honor God could happen in the temple. The Sabbath. They could not keep the Sabbath. They were profaned. They were not allowed to do that. I believe I've even read in the commentary in Josephus or other places. I mean, they were threatened with death.
Halls were closed. It was even outlawed to keep the Sabbath in your home. So they were watching every move that people made, as in, you're not going to keep the Sabbath. Nothing of your religion are you going to do anymore. You'll keep the days we keep and do the things we do. Again, looking ahead to Revelation 13, what does the Beast power do? He, you will bow down to him. He will be the one setting the standards of the religion he follows.
He will be saying who your gods are, and that God will be him that you bow down to, or have your life threatened, or all of your currency and all of your assets frozen or whatever it is. They try to force you into following the gods that he wants instead of following God. The Jews of 167 and 168 BC were faced with the very same thing.
He went in, and he pretty much anything that was holy, the holy of holies, were only one minister, where only the high priests could go in one day a year. He went in, it became common places, they desecrated everything sacred to the Jews, everything that God had set up with the temple, he just desecrated. So it became a common area for anyone, everything was just violated. Pagan altars, shrines were built throughout Judah, but also done in the temple.
So you can imagine the affront to God as that was going on, as this was just forced upon the Jews, and they had no power to resist him. They had to watch it happen, but again, everything was under attack, everything that they held sacred, everything that they looked at God and knew that God dwelt in that tabernacle. They just saw it all disappear. Unclean animals. We read not too long ago when we were looking at the unclean, the sacrifices, and the type of sacrifices that would be offered in the millennial temple.
God specifically says no unclean animal would ever be offered in his temple. And yet, Antiochus, knowing that that was what the Jews want, that's what he went in and sacrificed unclean animals to his gods. Even something is circumcision. Even something like circumcision, right? He outlawed. No babies could be circumcised from that day forward. He knew the law of God. He knew what those people obeyed. They knew what the relationship with God was and the whole physical time that they kept it.
And every single one of those things he outlawed. He even said no more. And it was under the punishment of quite a major thing that they would have had to deal with if they violated any of that. Yeah, I mean, we know how the Gentiles, right? So he pretty much was trying to introduce anything into society there just as the Gentiles lived.
So he would make them like Gentiles with everything that they did. Every lewd and lascivious act that they had, the way they lived their lives, he wanted Judah to be exactly like that. And forbidding the law and its ordinances. Again, these are all quotes you see up here from the book of Maccabees that records what happened there. Forbidding the law, he was trying to eliminate it. He was trying to eliminate the Bible. He was trying to eliminate everything the Jews stood for. Josephus says that the books of the law, or law books, I guess, as I put there, but the books of the law were burned and they were outlawed.
Literally gathering them up and burning the scrolls and burning whatever he could find so that it would be just completely banned. We've heard of that type of thing going on in the world around us. And even in the past four years in America, there were times where books were kind of outlawed and whatever, not the Bible or anything like that, but other books. So when you have someone taking over trying to completely change society and move it in their direction, everything that they hold sacred is taken away from them.
And then you have this death penalty. If they didn't do what the king said, death was what was going to befall them. It was that bad, and that's exactly what it says in Revelation 13. It may be when the mark of the beast, if you don't do what the beast says, if you don't do what the other beast, the little beast that rides the big beast says, and don't bow down to worship the king if you don't obey the laws of the land. And you obey God instead of the laws of the land that are in contrast to God's law, that you would be first, not have access to your assets, but then death as well as they do everything they can to try to get you to convert to where they want you to be.
So the abomination of desolation there, all this, all this accompanied it. It wasn't just one act where they went in and did something with the temple. It was an entire change of lifestyle. Everything that was Jewish was under attack when Antiochus came there. So there was the abomination of desolation there. It says there, it says on the 15th day of the month of Keslot, it says in the Maccabees, the king erected the desolating abomination upon the altar of burnt offerings. So it doesn't say exactly what it was. This other author wrote his name down here.
Wrote his name down here if I can find it.
Yeah, Didorus Siculus, he says it was erecting a temple of Zeus in the temple, but that was the ultimate abomination of desolation or abomination that leads to desolation.
But also it was the sacrifice of swine and the unclean animals on that altar in deference to that god.
Just completely turning the temple into the worship of a false god. So we go through all of this and look at that because it happened to those people, and it was a significant event in history, so much so that Daniel 11 chronicles the history of the Jews down through the Middle East.
But it was such a horrific event that they had to endure that Christ likens what's coming in the Great Tribulation to what happened back in 167 BC.
And he says whatever is going to happen in the future is going to be even worse. There's a time coming that's even worse than anything that the people back then at 167 went through.
Now as you look at the abomination of desolations and as Christ references it to it, we see that the temple was destroyed by invaders and other times as well.
I don't remember the exact date, but I think it was 63 BC a Roman emperor came in, and he didn't do the extent of what Antiochus did.
But he also stopped some of the temple rituals and whatever to try to interrupt the Jewish lifestyle.
He didn't go through the whole thing like Antiochus did. He was kind of like the epitome of it.
And then of course in 70 AD the Romans completely destroyed the temple, the second temple.
And so there hasn't been any temple at all, so they completely desolated it as well.
So it has happened through history and crisis. It will happen again.
Now I should say, just so we kind of even know where this ends, in 165 BC, the Jews revolted against Antiochus, and they won back their land. So the people that, you know, great exploits when it talks about great exploits here in Daniel 1132, they were able to throw out and deliver Judah from the rule of Antiochus.
And that's where Hanukkah comes from in recognition of that deliverance of God.
So, you know, with all of that, you know, there's a lot that we can look at.
As long as we're in Daniel, let's just go over to chapter 12 here for a second.
I'll move for more than a second, I guess. And just look at how that is. So as we've already looked at Antiochus, we've already looked at Antiochus.
He actually stopped the sacrifices and stopped everything in his power that was Jewish. Everything.
Not just the sacrifices, that was the beginning of it when he came in, and then he wanted to outlaw Jewish life or, you know, the way of the Bible through the whole thing.
So when we look at Daniel 12, and it says in verse 11, and from the time, well, let's just...
Let's just pick it up in verse 8 and read through there. In verse 8 of Daniel 12 says, Although I, this is Daniel, although Daniel heard, I did not understand, and I said, My Lord, what will be the end of these things? And he said, Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed until the time of the end. So as the time grows nearer and nearer to the return of Jesus Christ, we will understand more and more about what these prophecies mean as God tells us. He will give us the meanings of these things, so we're prepared, and we know that He exists, and we grow closer and stand with Him. Many, many, verse 10, many will be purified. Many will be made white and refined. Now, when we read those verses, we can think of the Bride of Christ, right? In Revelation 19.7, what does it say? His bride has made herself ready. She is clothed in white linen. He advises us, and He admonishes us in this life now, do the work of making ourselves ready to be the Bride of Christ. He's the one who gives the Spirit. He's the one who gives the guidance. We seek His truth. We use His Holy Spirit to overcome self, overcome our desires, any ideas we have, and do what God says. So here He's saying, at the time of the end, many will be purified. Just as John says in 1 John 3, 3, if you had this hope in you, purify yourself. Purify yourself. Many shall be purified, made white, and refined. That would be those who are following God. Implicitly. The Bride of Christ, the firstfruits that we'll talk about as we get closer to Pentecost as well. Those. But the wicked, and remember wicked doesn't mean the Antiochus Epiphides of the world. It means morally wrong when you look it up. They are the ones who don't follow God specifically. They may think that they're doing things right, but they tend to give in to other things other than the way of God, and not allow, and not discipline themselves with God's Holy Spirit to do things His way. And so, you know, we might say there's two groups of people. We could say Philadelphian and Laodicean. Maybe not even Laodicean. People who just allow themselves to become enamored with the world, to do things the way the world thinks, and just think the time is far off. I'm rich, increased with goods, have need of nothing, and that attitude leads us to become sometimes morally compromised. In this case, God says wicked, but it doesn't mean wicked like Antiochus Epiphanes, just not purified, made white, and refined. But the wicked will do wickedly, and none of the wicked shall understand. You know, there is an understanding. God says, when we follow His law, when we give our hearts to Him, when we allow His Holy Spirit to transform our minds, our thinking, the way that we act, the way that we react, the way we do things, and learn and ask Him with all our hearts and minds, let me learn to do things your way, and ask Him, teach us. Teach us the way Christ would do these things. Teach us the way you would have us handle these things. When we understand, when we do those things, God gives us understanding. His Holy Spirit gives us understanding. The wicked, but none of the wicked will understand. They may not see things exactly the way we do. They may have a different take on things, and they are marching to, they think, the same God, but maybe not in the same way that those who will be the firstfruits are, the Bride of Christ.
And from the time, from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, something is going to happen. In Jerusalem, in the same place the referenced abomination of desolation did then, there will be 1,290 days. The countdown begins, right? And it actually begins even before that, we see in the next verse. So, you know, we have 1,260 days. We're all familiar with 1,260 days. I think five times in the Bible it talks about time, times, and a half a time. Three and a half years. Or, it'll say 42 months, three and a half years. Or, 1,260 days, you know, three and a half years. And so we know that the time that the Beast Power is in control of the earth, the time of the Great Tribulation, is three and a half years. We know that the two witnesses prophesy in Jerusalem, the truth of God, for three and a half years. You know, Jesus, here in Daniel, earlier in chapter 12, in verse 7, he talks about, you know, this time of the end that we're talking about. And there, I'll just read verse 7. You can look at it as well.
Completely shattered. All these things shall be finished. Completely shattered. The Jews back in 167 were not completely shattered. They were pretty devastated, but some stood through it all. And we have the holy people. Remember, when God says holy people, He does look at physical Israel as His people still. They are His people. He created them. Remember, we read that in Israel. He goes, Israel, I created you. We saw that again in Ezekiel. Israel, I created you. Remember those miraculous births of Isaac and Jacob and then Joseph as well. I created you. God still loves those people and sees them as special, His own special people. And as we read in Ezekiel, you know He'll bring in an Isaiah. He'll bring them back to His promised land. But also, see spiritual Israel today, you and me, who God has called and who yield ourselves to Him. So, when the people, the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these things will be finished. It will be a tough time. When Jesus Christ talks about the great tribulation and that there has not been a time on earth like it before, and never again shall be, it is a horrendous time. And it was a horrendous time in 167 BC, and people have gone through horrendous times in history, as we remember some of the stories of history from our high school days and college days, even as we talk about the nation of Assyria and how cruel and how fierce and how brutal they were back in those days. And they are sometimes called among the most brutal nations that have ever been on earth. Constance, it will be worse than that. But He gives us promises that we can count on. And we have to count on Him and build that trust today. Let me pause here. I see one hand up. Bernice, you got a question or a comment?
Yes, I have two questions. One thousand two hundred sixty days, but I was looking in Daniel 12-11, I believe it is, and it said one thousand two hundred and ninety days. Yep, I'm going there next. Okay. If you put it on verse 12, it gives another number also. Exactly. That's where we're going next. I'm going to do the 12-90 and talk about the 13-35 days next. The question is, since we're already discussing Daniel, can we just continue to study the book of Daniel? We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. And I'll have to say, as I was preparing this, it is fascinating. When you put it together with some of the other places in the Bible, the other prophecies, how it fits together is quite interesting. Because it's just about the future. Yep. Okay. Let me see. I think we got Tracy next, and then Bill Wilson.
Hello. Okay, so here's the thing that's always got me. He gives these days, but nobody knows when Christ returns. But when he writes it down to days, and once we're in from this particular time, will we know when Christ is going to return? If we knew exactly when that 12-90 days is, we would know the day. So we'll talk about that in a minute. Okay? Okay, Bill. Yes. Hi, Mr. Shaby. Hi. And everybody else, in Daniel 11 chapter verse 7, I noticed that there's a difference in wording here. You were saying that the power of the holy people has been completely shattered. All these things shall be finished. And the old King James has, when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, is the difference between scatter and shatter. Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, I wonder, you know, take a requirement to get out my concordances and look them up to see the difference between the two. But which one do we think is really right? Because if he scatters the power, the power will have been diminished, but it might be like a diaspora. Will the people go all over the place? Or if it's shattered, then they've been destroyed. So I wonder what it will be? It will be kind of like both, right? Because the power will be shattered. We know that about modern-day Israel. Power is gone. But also, sun out is scattered around the world, right? Because God brings them all back to Israel, or Jesus Christ does when he returns to earth. So both. But that's very interesting. I'm going to look that up later, too, and see which word it really is. But maybe it's both. Maybe it's both there. So, okay. Thank you. Hi, Brother Chavi. Hi, everyone. Yeah, in regards to the abomination there where our Lord says, when this happens, He commands us pray for those in Jerusalem to also pray that their flight be not in the winter. And when you look back in Kislev that time, it was in the winter when it happened. And He also says, that it might be on a Sabbath. And the word shattered there is literally shattered or break, that's the feature is breaking pieces. He also says, when it happens, flee. Yeah. Okay. Very good. Jodi or Tom. It's Jodi. So, what you're talking about the days, the 1260, the 1290, 1335, here's a paper that has been around. I don't know if you can see it. It's been around the church for a long, long time. Down here, it's got the 1260, 1290, 1335. It's got all the scriptures that you're giving and everything that you're saying is all right here. Okay. The same with other ministers that I've listened to recently. It's all the same. So, you know, I've got it years ago and just hung on to it. So, it's helpful. Okay. I'm not sure I've ever seen that paper. Is it in a booklet somewhere?
I don't think so. The date I have on here is 2005. So, I've been at a Bible study where they passed it out. Okay. Interesting. But we may have received one at ABC, but we were there in 2008 and 2009. But anyway, it's an interesting paper and it's everything that we teach. Okay. Sounds good. Bill Bruce. The copy I have of that says it's the Good News Magazine of November, December of 1987. The copy that I have. November, December of 1987? Okay. Yes.
Great. Bill.
One thing interesting that in the class that Daris McMillan, I heard before also, is the statue that was placed there had Anticosis or however you pronounce his name, the head on it.
Oh, okay. So, he had his name, of course. The leaders always want to be worshiped. So, he would have his name on that statue. Yep. Very good. Jim.
Hi, Mr. J.B. This pretty interesting book. Just by way of timing and everything, I thought it'd be interesting just to mention that Daniel's prophecy is about, primarily about the time when the first coming of Christ is going to be. And all of that stuff up till Daniel 11 and verse 40, you can pretty well head off.
In verse 40 it says, and at the time of the end, king of the south shall push at the north. And so, we go from there all the way over to the other page and we're ending up in the resurrection.
Correct. So, the only book that was ever written in Scripture that was sealed is now unsealed in the book of Revelation. There is a time when it's unsealed and it starts with the four horsemen.
And that's always been kind of a controversy because there is those things that happened shortly, which would be, he goes right into the churches in the different eras of the church. Every one of us knows for a fact, pretty much, I think, that the Philadelphian era of the church did a great work. And we know Ephesus had the problem with the apostles, who were claiming to be apostles.
So, we can say that those were the eras. So, by the time the Laodicean church comes on the scene, who has inherited the church from Philadelphia and they kind of think they know it all, then the white horsemen is let loose.
That's the only book that's sealed and that's the only one that's unsealed.
We will know. He says the wise will understand. If we stay close to God and seek the truth, we'll know.
Bill, hell of a runner high. Yeah, there's speculation involved with us, but that word sacrifice is missing in Daniel 8, 13, Daniel 11, 31, and Daniel 12, 11. That word sacrifice is missing. And that's a fact.
That's a fact, but it's also a fact, right? That part of the regulation of the temple was they were going to be doing daily sacrifices, right? Twice in Old Testament time and once in the millennial time.
A daily sacrifice every day, we read that the...
Yes, that's in Exodus 29, 38, day by day, yam by yam. And again, the word is tommy. Continually, there's supposed to be a continually burning on the altar representing Christ.
But the word sacrifice, like when it says that there'll be so many weeks until the sacrifice, that word sacrifice is there, meaning sacrifice to cease, meaning Christ comes and causes the sacrifice to cease by his sacrifice.
But that word daily is very, very important. And it means time is going on without interruption. It's tommy. And I have like Old Testament word studies by Wilson, and there's 25 different words daily or continual.
But when that word continually comes up, it's tommy. And the one thing that's really amazed me is that Egypt had a 10-day week, and then for 12 years, France forced a 10-day week.
It says, when you see the abomination, it's really the abomination that amazes, that's even my margin has that, or abomination that stupefies, that those that be in Judea flee into the wilderness, it looks like they have 30 days there to flee.
But I'm going to gather together some information that I'm thinking about writing an article titled, Red Heifer or Red Herring.
And I appreciate that you brought up, Rick, that the temple is not going to be built until Christ returns. So everybody really needs to look into that word daily, because sacrifice is not there.
And we will. No, it's not there, but we do know the daily sacrifices were taken away at the time of the abomination, just the desolation.
And we do have the prospect, right, with these red heifers and the talk over in Jerusalem, that that happening again. We will know. We will know.
I'm not going to stake my salvation on the fact that there will be daily sacrifices, but every indication is there, and we will know. But let's get on with what? Well, but it says that those that read understand. Jesus said that. Yeah, that word. I care. I've got it in Old Testament word studies, and it says time is going on without interruption, which is the seven-day week.
And yeah, let's not get into that. I don't want to get into that. That just is complicated. Let's stick with the Bible here. I haven't even heard of a 10-day week before that, but I don't think we need to. Let's just keep with the Bible here and move along with this for right now. So we can talk about that offline a little bit if we need to.
But let's just, we were talking about the 1290 days. We talked about the 1260 days, right? The three and a half years. That's, you know, when you look at Daniel, it says that in verse 7 of chapter 12, and then you go to Revelation, and you find all these other things that are happening during that three and a half years of the tribulation. So we know the prophecy of the end time here is also the same time that's talking about someone's loading a whiteboard, it looks like, or did I do that?
So anyway, there we go. You're back. But let's talk a little bit about the 1290 days, because we know the tribulation lasts for 1260 days. So we have these 1290 days. That's 30 days before the tribulation begins. So, you know, you have in Daniel 11, as I think Jim pointed out, yes, it talks about the end time beginning in verse 40, and it talks about the king of the north, the king of the south.
We talked about who the modern-day king of the north and who the king of the south and the eastern powers would be, and as those powers are even beginning to form right now, that that would be the time of the end. And it says the king of the north will move into Jerusalem, and he will surround, right? He will invade the Promised Land. That will probably be when whatever is interrupted of these daily sacrifices or whatever, it occurs at that time. He will go in. He will stop what's going in, much like Antiochus did back in 167 BC.
So we'll know when that happens. God says, 30 days later, the tribulation begins, right? So there's kind of like this window of time there that happens. But then if you go back to 1335 days, God says, blessed is he who waits. You know, Christ says endure to the end, endure to the end.
Blessed is he who waits. You see all these things going, endure to the end. Stay there. Stay true to God. No matter what comes your way, no matter what deception comes, look at the Bible, because the deception will be strong.
And 2 Thessalonians 2 talks about those who don't love the truth, God will send strong delusion that they would believe the lie. You want to be people who would believe the lie. You have to know what the truth is, follow the truth, and don't believe whatever else is there because Satan is very cunning, very clever, will do anything to take us away from the truth.
So we have these 1335 days, and God said, blessed is he who waits and comes to the 1335 days. We don't know when that will be. We don't know when that 1335 days is, but something happens at that time. God is watching, and he knows we could maybe read into that verse. And this might be a little speculation. At 1335 days before all this stuff happens, and we see the King of the North march into Jerusalem, 30 days before the Great Tribulation begins, that there's something happens.
He will know who is at that point. And then if you go into Revelation, boy, you can look at a lot of verses that begin to come together at that point, especially when you look at Revelation 11 and 12 and then 13, where the beast power takes precedent. Let's go back to Matthew 24 for a second. I'm going to keep talking here for a while so that we move along. Then I'll take some questions here in a few minutes. But let's go to Matthew 24. This is Christ's Olivet prophecy. In verse 15, he talks about this coming up optimization of desolation.
And leading up to that verse, he talks about the four seals, the four horsemen of the Apocalypse, or the four horsemen of Revelation we may talk about at that time. Those horsemen have been writing during the course of history, but will intensify as time comes on. And then near the end, they will be intense. But as you read on and you begin to, verse 8, it says, all these are the beginning of sorrows. And again, the word of sorrow there is birth pangs. It's about to happen. It's about to go through the time of Jacob's trouble, and then leading up to the time when Christ returns and the new world under him is born.
If you go on through there, after these four horsemen, you come up to the time of the Great Tribulation, which is the fifth seal. In verse 9, it says, then they will deliver you up to tribulation. So there's coming a time when we will be persecuted. People will deliver us up. They will actually say, you're bad. You're keeping the Sabbath. You're doing this. You're doing that. You're saying things we don't want to hear. They will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you.
Don't talk. Don't say the things that we don't want you to say. And you will be hated by all nations for my name's sake. And then in verse 10, he says, and many will be offended.
Many will be offended. Now he's not talking just about the world. Remember, he's talking to his disciples there. He's talking to you and me. Many will be offended. Many will betray one another.
That's even people that we know, right? When we betray one another. Because as they yield to the world or become part of not the many who will be purified, etc., the bride of Christ, they will be offended. They will betray one another and will hate one another. Wow! That time is coming. That will be leading up to the great tribulation. This is where you see, even in the church, problems begin to happen and things like that. And many false prophets, verse 11, will rise up and they will deceive many. Now that's not necessarily false prophets like the evangelicals of the world. It could be false prophets among us. When you look at 1 Peter or 2 Peter 1 and 2, and when you look at Jude, you see, and Paul warned about it, things happening within the church. We have to keep our eyes on God, keep our eyes on truth. And many false prophets would rise up and will deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the agape of many will grow cold. Well, the agape is for people of God, people who have the Holy Spirit. And because lawlessness will abound.
We know that there was lawlessness at the time of the last administration of the United States, the presidential administration. Lawlessness was talked about often on the news. It was like, that law has been thrown out, that law has been thrown out. But even in the church, even in the church, you know, you see people who may not be keeping the law the way it is. We just read about that in Daniel 11. And because lawlessness will abound, the agape, people who should have agape, because you can only understand agape if you have the Holy Spirit, right? It's the fruit of the Spirit. The agape of many will grow cold. They'll just not be on fire the way they used to be. They won't have the zeal. God says to the church in Ephesus, remember your first love. Repent. Repent. And remember that love. And so, and then he says, But he who endures to the end shall be saved. Keep going on. Don't let people take away your crown. Don't let any man take away your crown. Keep looking to God. Follow him. And don't be led astray. He who endures to the end will be saved.
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. Therefore, after all that, he says, that will be going on. Therefore, when you see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place, whoever reads, let him understand. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. So the question we could ask, but we don't know the answer to it is, well, who will be in Judea? Who will be in Judea that God is saying, when you see this happen, flee to the mountains?
When will that? Who is that? And that's a question we can ask God, you know, help us understand who those people are and how do they get there? Because it's not just the people who are living in Jerusalem today. There's not even a church of God in Jerusalem today. There's maybe a few scattered people, but he's saying, let's do that. And he says, just flee.
Just flee. Don't even go back and look at things. So as you look at the verses here, when Christ talks about abominations of desolations and what leads up to it, there is a time we will move from the time of the four horsemen into the time of tribulation and all these things that God talks about here in Matthew 24 as we move closer and closer to the time of the end.
All of it means we just keep our eyes open, peeled, close to God, closer to Him, looking in the Bible, believing the Bible, and asking Him to give us the strength to follow Him and not be led away by whatever it is that may lead us away, whatever idea or whatever may come up, because there will be many of them out there.
So the 1335 days, God knows there's something that He's looking at you and me for 1335 days. We don't know when that 1335 days is, but we'd better be staying close to God. We'd better be studying the Bible. We'd better be loving the truth, asking Him to give us the love of the truth and really giving our hearts and minds to God because we don't know when that time will be.
We don't know what that time will be, and we don't know what He will have us do at that point or what exactly is going on, but that is a key thing. That's those who endure to the end. Revelation 24, verses 4 through 15 leading up to the abomination of desolation. That's a warning for us. Stay close to God.
Don't fall into the temptation, as He says later on in chapter 40, 24. Giving into the world, getting all enamored with what's going on in the world, being led to believe everything is fine. Peace and safety, peace and safety is coming as far off.
Don't follow any of those things. Always have the sense of urgency to stay close to God and watch Him. So with that, I see three hands. Let me break there so you can absorb that for a little bit. Well, I see a few people who are coming into us here. So go ahead, Bill Bruce. Bill Bruce. I just completed, well, not completed, but you know, I'm taking the class with Durris McNeely with Daniel in Revelation. And I'm to the point where we just completed Daniel.
And I know this is speculation, but one thing that Mr. McNeely mentioned is a possibility for the 1335 days was the end of the church's work. And that was a possibility that was put down. It could be. It could be. Only God knows exactly what He's looking at in that 1335 days. But I think it just includes us.
Stay close. Endure to the end, wherever the end is, but God is watching to see. God is watching us individually as well as His church. Hey, Bill. Hello, Brenner. You're muted. Your mic's not on, Bill. We know that it says there about the end time, the changing of times and laws. We know that times have been changed from sunset to midnight, from Saturday to Sunday. But this French Republican calendar is reality, and it was Napoleon that stopped it. Here's what it says online. See, for 12 years, they enforced 30-day month, three 10-day weeks on people. It was against all religion. And what you said, Rick, about that they're going to try to get rid of everything that's Jewish.
The seven-day week is Jewish. So here's what it says. Why did they stop using the French Republican calendar? It was the atheists that had pushed it. This challenge, along with a general lack of popularity, prompted Napoleon to begin phasing out the Republican calendar in pieces. He finally just called it off. Religion was back. The calendar was back.
He was talking about a Sunday religion and the seven-day week. And people could celebrate normally. So what I'm saying is also when we read, Jesus said, when you see the abomination, stand. That word, if you look up where stand, is established. So when you say that they're going to try to get rid of everything religious, what does it mean when you see the abomination established where it ought not? Where is the last place in the world you should force a 10-day week? And I'm just saying that the Scriptures right onto this. What the beast power does, he may do a 10-day week.
Again, I think we're getting off into a twig here that I don't see in the Bible. And I think it confuses things. I think life goes on the way it is with a seven-day week. And maybe it'll happen. But we're going to know something's up if they go to a 10-day week, for sure.
I think it's going to be more subtle than that because we wouldn't be deceived by that. And it says what's going to go on in the world, even the very elect, would be deceived if we're not close to God. So a 10-day week would, I think, put all of us on notice, something's not right. Something's not right. Even the very elect could be deceived by what's going to happen.
But it's also established where it ought not. That's an interesting statement. When you see it established where it ought not, and it's the abomination that stupefies, even in the margin it says abomination that amazes.
We'll be amazed. Hey, Kate, how are you doing tonight?
I'm doing good. Thank you. You know, when I read 1617 and 18 about those in Judah flee and, you know, just don't look back. That reminds me a lot of life.
Isn't it? Yeah. But don't look back. Just go. Like, God says so, right?
Look back. Right. It what was. And we're supposed to look at what's forward. And I just thought that was interesting. And then I also heard a commentary about about the temple.
Well, they're trying to build a temple over there, a temple institute. But really, all they really need is an altar.
That is all they need. To be able to sacrifice something on. That's all they need is an altar.
That's exactly why Ezra 36 set the precedent for that. So they can start with an altar and that's all they need. So.
That's all they need, right? Okay. That's all I have. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Bernice.
One thousand two hundred ninety days begin. Does it begin the minute the beast stops the sacrifices?
I don't know about the minute, but I mean, it's showing that something is happening at that time. And then in a very short time, the great trip actual great tribulation occurs.
That's the twelve hundred sixty days. That's in Revelation and the time times and a half of time in Daniel 12 seven. So we yeah.
And.
That's that's a warning sign. But 1335 is where we need to we need to be keeping close to God because we don't know when that when that day occurs.
Okay. Gary Gary and June. Hi. Hi, Mr. Shavey. Thank you. I'm wondering about the Temple Mount and the Dome of the Rock. Isn't that an abomination in itself? They're praising all the time. Not God.
Yeah. Yeah. Probably God looks the only temple that's there. Yeah, I was reading some things.
I think it was another. I don't know where I read this. I don't know if it was in one of the commentaries or what that talked about the abomination of desolation.
Their their speculation. This wasn't a church of God. I know that it would just be that that whole Temple Mount is just completely destroyed. Right. Everything. But but that would really aggravate Islam, too.
Maybe it's just the Great Wall or something that they were taught or the Wailing Wall or whatever they call it over there. So yeah, but that is an abomination to God. What's going on over there. So okay. Thanks.
Hey, Becky. Hey, you were talking about even the elect being deceived and you used a really good word for how you thought that deception would come in. And I can't I don't know exactly what it was now. But it reminds me of Genesis 3-1 where it says the serpent was more crafty. Or I think, or maybe it's not in the NIV. I think it says crafty. The word or cunning. That's what it is. The word actually means crafty or sly, subtle. And I just feel like if we really think about who was behind that deception, who will be behind this deception, it kind of hints at the fact that it I think will be more of a cunning type of deception or a subtle thing that we really have to keep our eyes and ears open, too.
No, we do need to keep our eyes and ears very open. Yes.
I don't think it will be obvious like you as obvious like you were saying. Yeah, it will be. If it was a 10-day week, it would be obvious, right? But what's going to happen if many are deceived, that even the elect, it's going to be something that like, whoa. But if we're close to God, if we know the truth, and we realize what's going on, we won't be deceived. It'll be those who allow themselves to move away from God a little bit.
Let me go back to the Spronks there for a moment, too. So God would look at what's going on maybe at the Temple Mount as an abomination today, but that is a—and I know you know this, but just to make it clear—that isn't the abomination of desolation that Jesus Christ is talking about. It is an abomination, what's happening, but that isn't what Christ is talking about in Matthew 24, 15.
Yes, but if it's not the abomination that Jesus is talking about, I understand that, but doesn't something have to happen there before the next abomination takes place?
Could be. Could be, because these daily sacrifices, whatever goes on with them when you read about what's going on, part of their issue is, you know, where do they get this red heifer sacrificed, right?
There's a place that has to happen, and you read now that they're talking about Shiloh, where there was a tabernacle at one time, but they also have to—all they need is the altar, and so they're speculating—I'm going to say speculating—that not where the Al-Aqsa Mosque is what the site of the temple was, but it could be where the Dome of the Rock is, or someplace around there, so they could set that altar up there.
Islam is going to have a fit no matter what they decide to do, right? So there's going to be conflict over there that'll be unbelievable, I think, when they get to that.
I mean, back on October 7th, one of the Hamas spokesman said that it was because of the threat of a red heifer being there that they even attacked Israel, because they were trying to prevent any of these prophecies from coming about. So certainly as they move toward a sacrifice or an altar, there's going to be a lot of noise. There's going to be a lot of noise over there.
That may be why the King of the North has to come in and halt things.
Okay, Marcella.
Hello. Hello.
We can't hear you, Marcella. Your mic is on, but we don't hear you.
Okay, well, you're figuring that. Let's go to Xavier. Let's go to Xavier next.
Brother Shaby, two points. In regards to Paul's temple over there, it's not in the right location where the temple was anyways, because that's, Lord says, not one rock would be upon another.
Some people surmise that I may have been in Port Antonio, so that was Roman territory.
Correct. There was a verse you read in 24. I think verse 10.
In Matthew.
How does your translation read it again?
So it says, then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another.
Yeah, this one says, lead. And I looked at the Greek, and it says, to put a stumbling block or impediment in the way, to entice one to sin, to cause a person to begin to distrust.
Okay. And desert someone we ought to trust and obey. Yeah, okay.
Yeah, it makes sense. I'm going to mark that verse down too, and look up those words and see exactly what they mean.
The word is scandal is scandalized.
Peroffended? Is that the word you're looking at?
The word for lead. The word for many shall be lead in the sin. So the word before.
Okay, who do we have next? Kay? Yes, this is speculation, really, but talking about the false prophet, it's been put out there that the false prophet could actually look like the long-haired Jesus that everybody the whole world over recognizes, whether you're a believer or not a believer.
And that he could come looking in that form. He could be in that form. And that he could deceive many that way.
He could, but it also says...
It says even the elect, but if you've got somebody new that's come into the church or whatever, a new convert or whatever, but they still got baggage, you know, and still haven't let stuff go.
I'm just saying this is speculation. Yeah, but it also says in verse 24 there, they will show great signs and wonders to deceive if possible even the elect. So they can do all these miracles and whatever. And that's what will people...
That must be the true religion.
Wouldn't the false prophet be able... The false prophet is... You got the beast in the false prophet. False prophet, right? So he would be able to... He represents church, a church, right? So he would be able to do signs and wonders, actually, if he's got Satan behind him.
Yes, he would.
I just thought that was... I'll throw that out there.
Can anyone hear me now?
Oh yeah, Marcella, where are you?
Okay, that's fine.
Sorry about that.
Okay, I always thought that there was a temple in 2 Thessalonians starting in verse 3.
It says, So that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
To me, that tells me the Jews are going to build a temple. And knowing the stiff-necked Jews, they won't settle for anything but a temple.
They have everything in place. They need peace so that they can start building their temple to me.
You know, because to them, that'll bring on their Messiah.
That's just what I would thought. That, to me, tells me there's a temple.
Actually, one of the things we're going to go to next, that we're not going to have time for tonight, is to look at the temples in Old Testament time.
Temples in Old Testament times were buildings, and God dwelled in those buildings.
So we see the tabernacle in the wilderness, and God's glory was in that tabernacle. He dwelt with men in that tabernacle.
Same thing with Solomon's temple. He dwelt in there. The glory of God stilled there.
We read about that in Ezekiel with the Millennial Temple. But in the New Testament, what's the time?
The people.
God is the people.
People, yeah!
Yeah.
We're going to talk a little bit more about that. We'll probably have to wait until now.
I've got a bunch more notes here. Maybe we'll continue this next week, because I think it's a very interesting study to do and to look at that.
Someone's got a...
Yeah, someone's got a question. Let me go to Mr Murray, Mill. You've been on a couple of times. Let's go to Mr Murray.
Thank you very much, Mr Shabiy. Yes, it is an interesting subject, and I'm glad that we're going to be covering it again next Bible study, hopefully, because there's much more to this subject.
And Marcella makes a very good point that the beast is going to sit in the temple. That's what it says in Thessalonians. He's going to sit in the temple.
And there's a very strange speculation that the don't... where the temple mount is at the moment, that that was covered by the Fort Antonio, but that is a false statement about people who are making that.
Fort Antonio was a small area of the temple mount. Fort Antonio was a small area. It didn't cover the whole temple mount.
And in fact, it was beside the temple. So it's very likely that the temple mount is indeed the place where the temple was.
And there is plenty of space between the Dome of the Rock at the moment and the Alaska Mosque for the third temple to be built.
Now, when we say the third temple, it's indicative in Revelation 11, verses 1 and 2, that what will be built before Jesus Christ comes will be the main temple building and the altar in front of it.
We see that in Revelation 11, verses 1 and 2. And it is that building prior to Christ's return that very likely the beast, as Marcella was pointing out, will sit in and proclaim himself to be God and probably erect some sort of abomination of desolation.
There could be something like a Catholic cross with Jesus Christ on it and something of that nature which would be an abomination. So he will stop the sacrifices.
And there is also a reference, I'm just going to finish off here, but there is a reference in Daniel 8, verses 13 and 14, which Bill referred to.
It talks about how from the time the sacrifices are set up until the time the temple is cleansed, and it is a discussion between the Father and Jesus Christ at that time, is 2300 days.
That did fit into a period from 171 to 164 with Antiochus Epiphanes from the beginning, from when the high priest was murdered. And that's when you get the 2300 days in there. But it's also a future period when very likely for that generation that will see it from the time the sacrifices are set up, and then 965 days later is to the 1335 days, which the church has always said that could be the greatest blessing at that time will be to be given the knowledge of where the place of safety is. 45 days later is the 1290 days, that's a month and a half. That's the time the sacrifices stop. So even a child of 10 can realise that if they stop the sacrifices, the sacrifices must have been done at some stage. And the 2300 days is an indicator for that end time generation. When you see the sacrifices begin in the morning and evening at the temple, there's 965 days to the 1335 days, it's a month and a half to the 1290. And then there's 30 days, which is indicative of what is said in Hosea 5 verse 7, in the space of a new moon will be the destruction of Israel. Anyway, that's just a little bit of an insight. There's much more to that, but I'm glad that we're going to discuss in this again next time.
There's an awfully lot, and it's all fascinating, yes, absolutely. Can I mention one thing else? Yes, please. Also about in the temple, as the beast sits in the temple, the two witnesses are witnessing the outer courts, right? And leave the outer courts for the Gentiles to be trampled.
Yep. We'll talk more about that next week, too. I think there's a lot we can look at. I saw another hand, Galaxy. I should know your name. Reasmin, did you have a comment? Yes, good evening. I was looking at 1 Corinthians 6, 19-20. It says that we are the temple, as you were saying. The church, maybe you are not the temple.
It put me in the church, as it is known to be defiled. The church itself, and not a man-made temple. If you had, I think, yeah. The God hand of God sacrifices our prayers.
The name of sin, sin, and sin.
Before God ever did it, even in the morning, Exodus 30 verse 78, those are sacrifices, prayer.
And they tried to outlaw prayer in Daniel's time, right? They said that he was praying to anyone other than the idol.
That's how they said our prayers. It could be actually the church.
There's a line we're getting at, can't you? I don't know.
And then when they said about lead, the word lead, they said, believe people, believe in what is wrong.
It could be the actual church, but united wherever.
Could be that.
I think there's, yep.
But I think, yeah, we have that sacrifice.
Mm-hmm. Yep, I think you make some interesting points. And it's good to bring those up because those are our sacrifices today, right? Our bodies, we live our lives as a living God. Very much so.
And then I think that because when it was written, it was all the Jerusalem, around that area where the gospel was being done.
But now it's worldwide.
You know, so I've got a church in Israel.
Right, so they have to write in the framework in which they were living.
They couldn't think, they couldn't project to the 10th or 10th century.
That's my thought.
Make some good points. We're going to talk a little bit more about that next week. Let's go to Rich and Diane.
We heard from them tonight, so.
Mr. Shaby, we just were wondering, would we be able to get that handout from 1987?
Yeah, you know what? If someone's got it, they could send it to me. But I wrote down, good news, November, December, 1987.
Yeah, we can find that and have that available for you, I think.
So, bye next week. Thank you.
And let's do Jim Peterson, then we'll come back to you, Bill.
Yeah, just a quick comment on Second Thessalonians there about the falling away, the great falling away. I don't know what your thoughts are about that, but it was discussed quite a bit in 95 and under the word 98. And the conclusion was that that was not the church.
It was a great falling way of law and order because it's in the context of forcing the revealing of the man of sin.
So, if somebody takes charge, and when we look at the chaos that's in the world today, like there is a general falling away from the law and order.
Just a lot of thoughts right now.
I personally do think that that was a man sitting in the temple of God, in the church of God, who changed laws and times and whatever, and that was an application of it.
Not the final one or whatever.
It could happen again, right?
You have someone in the church of God who would lead people astray by some of their things.
We never thought it could happen in 1995, but it did happen.
And we know the world is apart from God.
God's talking to his people in these scriptures, and the falling away is for them, not the world.
They haven't been called. They're not the ones God is working with today.
That's for a later time.
I think 1995 goes applied to that verse.
He certainly was sitting in the spiritual temple of God and letting many people astray by changing law.
May I say something?
That would be my opinion.
I don't know what it is about this Caribbean people.
I'm talking about Mr. DeCotch, right? That's who I'm talking about back then.
May I say something? No confusion.
Hello?
Yes, we can hear you, Yasmin.
Okay, what I'm saying, all right. There's something named the JAP theory.
Okay? Second Thessalonians 2.
Yes, Mr. DeCotch really did what he did.
But I think, I'd say, Mr. DeCotch didn't say that he was God.
He didn't say it. So he did.
So from my thinking, if that is for the future.
First four, there's a gap theory.
Yeah, I...
There's a gap, JAP.
My thinking that this hasn't happened yet.
But he did.
Yeah, but just like the Pope, right? The Pope sees himself that he can make whatever law he wants, and it's binding.
Yes, he does.
But DeCotch kind of took the place of God and, you know, it's like, I'm changing the law of the church.
This is my idea. And he led many to Australia.
He never said he was God.
But we can not worship Him as God.
No, that's what I'm saying. Worship God.
Follow Him. Don't follow man.
That's what the mistake of many people in 95 did.
They followed Him and didn't look into the Bible and love the truth.
This is for the future. Verse 4, I don't know if you have yet.
The breakaway did happen, yes, but verse 4 is for the future.
In my thinking, there is something named God theory.
Yeah, it jumps a couple of years and then whatever happens.
But it's to us because we are human and, you know, we just think it just happened at the same time.
No, that's not okay. I just think it's in the Bible. And this is for the future.
Verse 4, my thinking, and being far along, far reading and whatever, it doesn't happen yet.
In the temple of God, in the church, right? That's my opinion.
Any temple the Jews build today wouldn't be the temple of God. No, that's what I'm saying. It will be the temple of God.
How can it be the temple of God? Anything you're going to be the temple of God.
It don't fit. It don't fit. It's not the temple of God.
I can see we've stirred up some thoughts here. This is a good discussion to have, right?
We go back to the Bible and let the Bible lead us and guide us and everything like that.
Let me move to someone else here. Reggie or Sandy.
Hello. Can you hear me, Mr. Shavey?
I'm sorry?
Can you hear me?
Oh, yeah. We can hear you, yes.
This isn't pertaining to the Bible study. I couldn't get my sound up at the beginning before we started Bible study.
I was just wondering if you and David are going to be down in Jacksonville and Orlando for Pentecost.
I'm not going to say yes yet. I am holding that open. I would like to be down there for Pentecost, but I don't know if it can work yet. I'm more looking at that.
Yeah, I wouldn't be down in North Carolina, but I thought I'd log on later for a tour of these.
You know, they're on YouTube, so in Jacksonville and Orlando.
So we'll have to be back up in Cincinnati that week after Pentecost, but we'll see if it all goes.
Yeah, I was just wondering.
Okay. John. Hello. Just concerning 2 Thessalonians, I just want to put up a word of caution.
When you look up the word apostasia in multiple concordances and lexicons, some will say departure from the truth, which points to the church. Who else has the truth? But others say general rebellion, divorcement, rebellion. So could it be both? Should we keep an open mind and a bigger definition in mind that it could be both? Just a word of caution to everyone.
I think that's a good point. Good point. Let me see. Let's go to Nikki. Hi. I just got really excited when Yael pointed out that there was something in the Good News article. So I did a really quick search, and I'm not sure that it was the same chart as the first gal had shown. But yes, if you just type it in your search engine Good News magazine November-December, 1997, there is a Herbert W. Armstrong searchable PDF for Acrobat. And there's two pages there. It's a nice color chart, quite a few pages down. I was able to take a couple of pictures, but I wasn't able to share it here because we don't seem to have that feature here. But I just wanted to put it out there that if you're interested in that information, it's easy to find. It is in there, though. You said that issue. Okay. Yeah, you know what? If you hear... I can give you the option to share here, I think. I don't know if you can see that if my phone is...it says the Seven Seals of Revelation, so it's a split page. So there's page one and then page two, and that has more of the timeline here that we were talking about Revelation 16 verse one up here. So if you want that, I have it on my phone. I can just send it over to you. Okay, that sounds good. Jodi, I don't know if Jodi Adams is still online, but does that look like the same chart you were talking about? She may not still be on, so okay. Yeah, I'm... Hey, Ken Murray, what time is it over there? It is the same chart. It is the same chart. Okay. Okay. Well, very good. No, November, December 1987. Good news. Okay.
Okay, so I do have... It's been 30 a.m. on Thursday. It's what time? Mr. Murray? It's been 30 a.m. Thursday. Okay. Okay. Well, you're at the beginning of your day. We're getting near the end of our day, so you're very good. So, Becky, Becky, go ahead. You mentioned the Pope, and I really want to ask if anyone has any interesting opinions about the fact that he is American, or even thinking of tribes I'm thinking about. Is he from Manasseh? I just wonder if there's anything there that I don't know about. I haven't really spent much time thinking, but I was surprised. I was very surprised they had an American Pope, but I hadn't really thought much about it, so I don't know if anyone else has any thoughts. I think with it being the first time that's ever happened, it just really caught my attention. It's very interesting. It's probably significant in some way, we'll find out. We just don't know how. Yeah. Okay.
Okay, so we do have a lot more to talk about. Do you want to do this again next week, or we'll continue on with it? I know Mr. Murray brought up some things about 2300 days that I knew we weren't going to have time to really go through in depth tonight, but maybe next week we can talk about that a little bit more. For some of you who are new, that'll be a newer concept of prophecy. But we could continue this next week. I think there's probably enough. And I think it's just a good thing for us to be able to go through and just get our thoughts out there and look and see what the Bible says and let it lead us. Bill Bratt, go ahead. A couple weeks ago you mentioned that book, Philip Miller, and it's called The Shepherd Looks at Psalm 23. Yes. I'd just like to say thank you. I appreciate that. I went ahead and ordered it from Amazon. I've been reading it. It's a little book I can't put down. It's an excellent book. It's an excellent book. And you're right. It's fascinating. Thank you. The parallels are amazing. Bill Bruce? I had a question on something totally different, just real quick. In the millennium, will they also be redeeming the firstborn? I'm going to... Well, I'm going to reserve comment on that. The firstborn of the animals, I don't know. I'll think about that one. It looks like a lot of the Old Testament will be being taught. There will be a reason for that. So I don't know. I don't know. We'll have to see what God has in mind. Hey, Brandon.
Hey, Mr. Shabrie. Hello, everyone. Yeah, I personally just wanted to say that I would definitely like to continue what was brought up today next week versus moving forward. We will do it. We will do it. Okay. Okay, looks like all the hands are down. So it is 8.29. So thank you for sticking with us during the whole hour and a half here. Mr. Parker, do you have a comment you want to make? Or Ms. Parker? Thank you very much. Very good. Okay. Very good. Okay. Well, then let's Rich and Diane, another comment or? The Psalms 23 book. What was the Psalms 23 book? What was that? It's Philip Keller. A shepherd looks at the Psalms. Bill, what is the official name of it? I've got it on my shelf here, I think. Oh, I see it. I see it. Yeah. Okay. We got it. Thanks. Okay. Okay. Well, then let's let's say good night and we will see you all. We will see you all next Wednesday night then. Okay. Okay. Take care, everyone. Have a good rest of the week. Bye-bye.
Rick Shabi was ordained an elder in 2000, and relocated to northern Florida in 2004. He attended Ambassador College and graduated from Indiana University with a Bachelor of Science in Business, with a major in Accounting. After enjoying a rewarding career in corporate and local hospital finance and administration, he became a pastor in January 2011. Since then, he and his wife Deborah have served in the Orlando and Jacksonville, Florida, churches. Rick served as the Treasurer for the United Church of God from 2013–2022, and was President from May 2022 to April 2025.